Autzen Audibles

Regurgitating the same stories and incidents to get attention.

Edit to add: I didn't mean you Justin, I meant the author of the story.

True. And this should be our take on things, Duck fans. We are under an immense amount of scrutiny from the media and fans looking to make scapegoats out of us. Take a note from our leader. All we can do is get to work. The hands of fate will reveal our destiny. I choose to believe our staff and institution.

Im assuming that was a DD poser that said Oregon is in deep doo doo and knows it......

hmmm. I really don't know what to think right now. One thing I keep thinking about though: If I think my children have done something wrong I ask them what happened or what did they do...It is very easy to tell if they are telling the truth or if they did something wrong just by the speed of the response and the ease of their answer. So...Oregon was speedy in it's initial response, but that response seems to be lacking quite a bit of substantive information. I'm confused about the video portion in regards to what they have, what they have/have not provided etc, and/or whether they haven't provided anything simply because the video is stored on a server they do not control and have to sign in to access and view. Should the latter be the case, then while the NCAA was on site I would imagine it would have been required that Oregon sign in and walk the NCAA through the accessible videos. I don't think anyone really knows where we stand in regards to the video portion right now. Not happy with the "paper package" though. No matter how big a fan of Oregon and our staff we all are, there really isn't any way to see it other than a little fishy. Saying we got ripped off seems to be the easy answer but I really don't think that would help in the end. Lyles actions occured during a time when there were very little repercussions to agents for wrongdoing. If he felt burned by Kelly and Oregon, there isn't very much stopping him from just coming out and saying,"yeah, in the end I steered Seastrunk, Williams, Wallace to Oregon and they paid me $25,000 for my services." Lastly, the fact that Lyles forwarded some of his player profile info as late as Feb and March just hours (in some cases) before media outlets ran with their stories regarding our ties to him looks as bad as it can get. I love our ducks, but currently hate the position we are putting ourselves in.

No amount of deflection like: We are just getting picked on because now we are good and stealing recruits from other top programs. Or, All programs are running around doing similar things with other "street agents". Or, You don't have proof why we paid Lyles. etc. can't take away the fact that we look (as many people have plainly stated) like complete dumbasses or flat out cheaters.

Regarding the video portion of the package, Oregon is saying they are having trouble separating the videos Lyles provided from the videos provided by other scouting services....meaning we have now all seen the only things given to the NCAA that came from Lyles.

The only problem with the excuse of mixed up videos is, as ESPN reported, scouting services use logos on all their videos. Even if Oregon claims Lyles didn't, the other services do, which would make it easy to determine which came from Lyles.

True. The other thing is that Will Lyles online video is not under the jurisdiction of the NCAA so they may not have the right to look at it unless some form of law said he needed to turn it over to them or if they bought it from him. How funny would that be!

Dude, Nasty...old regurgitated information. I can read what you just posted in about 1000 places. I'd really just like a place to discuss some of the unknowns with my fellow ducks...not a trojan!! You are not adding anything new...What are you doing here????

Actually, there are NCAA rules that scouting service information must conform to, including being timely and matching what the description of the package says.

Regarding the videos in the computer system, here is what Oregon said:

"School officials claimed the videos are jumbled with hundreds from other sources in the football program's computer system, so they couldn't figure out which came from Lyles and which came from other sources. So they didn't produce any videos."

So the NCAA only has the documents we've seen already.

There are four main bylaws that govern scouting or recruiting services: 11.3.2.5 (school personnel can't consult or endorse services), 12.3.3.1 (services can distribute student-athletes information but can't be paid a fee based on placing them at a school), 13.1.7.20 (coaches can't watch off-campus video of athletes provided by services) and 13.14.3, which is the main definition of a recruiting or scouting service.

Oregon needs to be concerned about 12.3.3.1 and 13.14.3 (below):

An institution may subscribe to a recruiting or scouting service involving prospective student-athletes, provided the institution does not purchase more than one annual subscription to a particular service and the service:

(a) Is made available to all institutions desiring to subscribe and at the same fee rate for all subscribers;

(b) Publicly identifies all applicable rates;

(c) Disseminates information (e.g., reports, profiles) about prospective student-athletes at least four times per calendar year;

(d) Publicly identifies the geographical scope of the service (e.g., local, regional, national) and reflects broad-based coverage of the geographical area in the information it disseminates;

(e) Provides individual analysis beyond demographic information or rankings for each prospective student-athlete in the information it disseminates; (Revised: 4/13/10)

(f) Provides access to samples or previews of the information it disseminates before purchase of a subscription; and

(g) Provides video that is restricted to regularly scheduled (regular-season) high school, preparatory school or two-year college contests and for which the institution made no prior arrangements for recording. (Note: This provision is applicable only if the subscription includes video services.)

Based on the documents turned over to the media by Oregon, Lyles' service he provided the school fails to fit (c) and (d) because he did not distribute reports at least four times per year and his geographical scope does not fit the definition of a national package. The "National" package Lyles sent was supposed to contain information on 22 states yet only contained information from five states and all but five players were from the state of Texas. A national package it was not.

Well the NCAA doesn't have video because, according to UO officials:
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"Lyles delivered some video, but said the school had difficulty retrieving the video from its computer system, or separating it from video gathered by other means."
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And there were no other documents, according to Oregon's office of public records:
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Elizabeth Denecke of Oregon’s office of public records explained that providing the additional information came about after a query from The Register-Guard on the initial release.

In a subsequent telephone conversation to clarify the added release of information, Denecke said “as I understand it, it is all we have” to justify the $25,000 payment, in addition to the 143-page document titled “2011 National Package” that Lyle provided to Oregon and was released Monday. Oregon said it also received video of recruits from Lyles but couldn’t provide samples of that.
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If Oregon is in compliance, what do I have to admit I was wrong about? I've never stated Oregon is guilty of anything. I think things seem suspicious right now, and I'm commenting on that. I've levied no accusations.

Some interesting background information on Lyles' work with Elite scouting and his transition to becoming self employed:

Lyles worked for Elite Scouting Services in 2009. Elite founder Charles Fishbein says that he still was working there when he fired on Lyles in January 2010. In the lone public comments he's made since the story broke, Lyles told a national radio interviewer that he quit working for Elite in late 2009.

Regardless of when or how Lyles left, the domain name for the website of his new company was not registered until March 16, 2010.

Fishbein recently told The Oregonian he hired Lyles in 2008 to write profiles and obtain video highlight clips of high school football prospects. But by late 2009, Fishbein said, Lyles largely stopped turning in anything.

"Every month there always was an excuse," Fishbein said.

In January 2010, Fishbein told Lyles to go to the college coaches' convention. He didn't show. Fishbein said he learned Lyles instead had gone with Seastrunk to the Army All-America High School all-star game in San Antonio.

"We provide information," said Fishbein, describing why he says he fired Lyles. "It's up to the coaches to recruit kids. I think Willie wanted to take shortcuts."

About the same time, Fishbein said, Oregon coach Chip Kelly told him the Ducks no longer were going to use Elite.

Fishbein said the conversation turned contentious after Kelly said the Ducks were dropping Elite because UO wasn't going to recruit Florida anymore.

"I thought he was (deceiving) me," Fishbein said. "I told him, 'Whatever works for you guys.' Five minutes later I heard he's on the phone with Jerrard Randall's high school coach."

Randall, a highly recruited quarterback from Hollywood, Fla., orally committed to Oregon but later signed a 2011 letter of intent with LSU.

Less than three weeks after Seastrunk signed in February 2010, Lyles sent Oregon the invoice for the national package.

http://www.oregonlive.com/ducks/index.ssf/2011/06/oregon_football_releases_recor.html

He is seriously obsessed with this story . . . along with a ton of other Trojans. I laugh that he keeps posting stuff from the Oregonian as if we haven't seen it. But, just in case, the Trojans are posting these articles everywhere I look.