In partnership with CBSSports.com
Online Now 710
Online now 482 Record: 5583 (1/22/2012)
Loudest board in the nation, per capita
Buy and sell your Duck tickets here.
You have no favorite boards.
The most viewed topics.
The most replied to topics.
The most up-voted topics.
The most down-voted topics.
The most up-voted posters.
The most down-voted posters.
The most followed posters.
Follow me on twitter: http://twitter.com/JHopkins247
USC is like a german car, every piece that breaks is of the highest quality.
Somehow, it doesn't surprise me that a guy, born and raised in SEC country, is petitioning for the NCAA to throw the book at Oregon. What also doesn't surprise me, is that he specifically defends Cam Newton in his article. Typical, very typical. He compares BSU recruits getting free room and board from current players, as small potatoes compared to Oregon paying a scouting service $25,000. He tries to use the "Shock & Awe" approach to journalism. It'll get quite a few uneducated people riled up about it, but to the educated person, his piece can be picked apart.
For instance, saying the $78 dollars worth of free benefits to 63 BSU recruits is small and practically nothing compared to paying a scouting service $25,000 is his first tactic. Using the tactic of saying $78 dollars instead of totalling out the amount which would be $4,914 all together. Seems a little bigger now, $5,000 of improper benefits to recruits. He lists the 25k by Oregon to make it look like some lofty number, and aggregious in and of itself. However, he fails to mention that top-tier universities spend thousands upon thousands of dollars each year for scouting services, so simply paying 25k, while a large sum compared to most payments made to scouting services, is not this astronomical number that no one else ever see's.
Second, he straight up defends the Newton's in this article. I like how he uses the "No money, no foul" argument. First off, it was reported by multiple sources that Cecil Newton demanded money for his son's "services". Second, it was also reported by multiple sources that Cam and Cecil Newton responded to the turned downed schools by saying they needed to pay them more money than Auburn, or that "Auburn's offer was just too high." Funny how Auburn quietly suspended Cam under worries that he'd be ineligible, realized they had a loophole where Cam simply had to deny any wrong doings, and place the blame on his father, and they simply reinstated him. Cecil Newton had to miss Cam's Heisman ceremony. Funny that he'd be banned from the Heisman ceremony, Cam would be suspended from the team, and the NCAA would investigate and come up with the conclusion that his father was working on his behalf and all Cam had to do was deny directly knowing his father was shopping him around, and Doyel, the writer behind this lovely article, defends them. Funny that he talks about Oregon trying to get influence with recruits, lists Seastrunk, yet doesn't list the fact that Seastrunk never saw the field while at Oregon.
I know I went off a bit, but this kind of "Shock & Awe" journalism is pathetic. Doyel even says it in his article, "Take the words of Willy Lyles". Yes, let's all take the words of Will Lyles, a guy that was trying to use his relationships with teenagers to benefit himself by using those relationships as a sort of "resume" to show off to scouting services so he could get a job. Let's believe the guy looking to go to any media outlet to get his 15 minutes of fame while he still can. Let's not believe the people that were hired and put into positions of power at universities. I just think sometimes it's funny that we always question those in authority, when they're called out by scum like Lyles, a person that was using and manipulating relationships with teenagers for his gain. Now I'm not dumb enough, or blinded enough by my fandom to think the Oregon program didn't dabble into gray areas. I'm also not going to use the "Well everyone else is doing it" argument because I'm not 12 anymore, and I'm not trying to get out of stealing a candy bar. However, when journalists like this use tactics in their writing to try and attack and tear down people they are against, and don't bring a full story, only bits and pieces that help their argument, it's pathetic. Don't bring up actual rules they supposedly broke, just say they cheated, and Willy Lyles testimony is proof enough they cheated. Don't explain actual numbers behind payments, and what schools typically pay, just throw out numbers to try and "shock and awe" people into believing that what you're selling is the real deal. Pathetic. Alright, I'm done with my rant. WTD
This post was edited by Duck_Your_Luck 2 years ago
i completely agree or how about the fact that seastrunk himself has stated in interviews that he was never influenced by lyles and would have gone to usc if caroll didnt leave. according to this guy every player from texas that doesnt play for a texas shcool must be getting paid because its impossible that oregon could ever have anything to offer.
This post was edited by Green Yellow31 2 years ago
Typical frakking Doyel.
Probae esti in segetem sunt deteriorem datae fruges, tamen ipsae suaptae enitent
Exactly. Bits and pieces he can use, not taking everything in and at least attempting to write an objective piece. And yes, I love the part about "Way the heck up there in Oregon". As if it's completely ludicrous that a Texas born player would ever even dream of playing in Oregon, much less do it unless he was obviously being forced to. Him beginning the article with his self assured smugness, which is complete arrogance on his part, saying how the NCAA is not only screwing up the investigation, but that everyone else is in agreeance with him. It's pathetic journalism throughout the whole article. Bits and pieces journalism, "shock and awe".
Hmmm, let's see, not one dollar should be received by recruits in improper benefits, yet BSU shelled out $5,000 dollars worth... Well, that sounds better broken down as $78 dollars per player... for 63 recruits... Hmmm $25,000 doesn't sound like much being paid to a recruiting service if I list that Alabama spent $100,000+ on recruiting last year... So let's leave that out. Afterall, no recruits are being swayed there. "Who wouldn't want to play in the SEC??" I could really keep going on and on about all this because this kind of stuff bugs the heck out of me, but I gotta get some work done. hahaha
This guy grew up in Florida and went to Florida, his opinion to me is not valid what so ever. You can't justify defending Cam Newton stating there was no ill will while stating that Oregon is guilty claiming they knew what was going on. His journalistic validity just took a huge blow IMO.
This shouldn't come as a surprise to anyone that follows Oregon football. True or not true Oregon will have the label of having Nike's backing to get them out of trouble.
Do I think it played a role? I am sure it did someone. How big of a role? We will never know but in today's world Oregon will be proven not-guilty instead of innocent. Difference there and the view on Oregon will have changed right or not.
Follow me on twitter, www.twitter.com/prehmmr
Having a bad hair day, Mr. Doyel? Is your wife flirting with the mailman? Why do I have the vision that after a long day's work (for him, probably no more than the 25 minutes it took to write that "opinion" piece - the rest of us work 8+ hours, BTW), Mr. Doyel walks into his family room and kicks his dog. I'll never get back the 4 minutes I wasted reading that ____.
Hahaha, reading that totally brought this to mind. "Who the hell did I hit!"
lol so funny haha with subtitles..
Duck your luck,
That is exactly what I wanted to say on the other string , but you say it so much better. Perhaps you should be writing for CBS, espn, or the Oregonian instead of the sensationalist yahoos they have writing for them now. As pointed out in my posts last month, Washington committed as many known recruiting violations in the recruitment of Arik Armstead alone as Oregon has total alleged violations in the last 4 years.
Doyel is an idiot. BSU got lack of institutional control because the had violations in multiple sports including some pretty serious stuff with their woman's tennis program. Their case can't be compared to Oregon at all.
Doyle is Canzano on steroids. His position is contrived and predictable. I have no reason to read this because I already know exactly what it said. His act is meant to draw Internet traffic, not be insightful.
Agree completely. Just trying to stir up people to get hits.
You stole candy bars? Shame!!!
How does working with a governing institution to come to an agreed upon, and vastly less expensive, resolve to an admitted to breach of rules constitute anything other than integrity? Around the guys I run with Oregon would be a "stand up guy". The kind that stands in front of the group and says I f****d up, what can I do to make it right and move on. I'm not interested in defending or condemning their behavior. It's neither my place nor do I have enough information (or completely trust the information I do have) to make an opinion. I certainly, as a fan, judge their acceptance of responsibility and how they handle the accountability for their actions.
Judgement: So far so good, wait to see on the end result.
Oh, and I wondered if he was trying to look like the badass version of Canzano when I saw his picture... Hilarious!
This post was edited by SouthEugeneGrad 2 years ago
Hahahaha, it was one time, and I swear, I didn't enjoy it. Scout's honor
247Sports In partnership with CBS Sports