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Cal the beneficiary of USC recruiting limits

  • Saw this line somewhere. Makes perfect sense.

  • sjb said... (original post)

    Lets hope we get Ruffin to change his mind I mean dont you think its kind of funny hes coming for an official visit. That would be a huge get for the D period.

    I do think it's odd; Ruffin's been pretty vocal about being a solid commit. Just doesn't seem to mesh with our staff's usual stance on OV's and solid commits. I have asked Justin a couple of times, but haven't gotten any insight on why they are bringing him in on an OV.

  • People always talk about how high profile recruits want to go places where they'll have an opportunity to get early playing time. USC has what, two or three true freshman starting at LB who'll be starting the next two years at least. Oregon has two seniors at the inside LB spots with the rotation spots behind those two seniors undecided and even if he's behind Rodney and Anthony in 2013 he knows that he can still play significant snaps if he earns it. That could be attractive to him and hopefully David Perkins.

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  • It has really clear that Cal's recruiting success has come at the expense of USC and not Oregon.

  • johnch said... (original post)

    It has really clear that Cal's recruiting success has come at the expense of USC and not Oregon.

    TBD come signing day.

  • yep - this is what I had mentioned.

  • Even with little chance of a commitment, the more studs we get to visit and see for themselves what Oregon is like and what they have to offer can only be a positive thing. There's a lot of negative recruiting going on especially from the USC staff. I think the staff like to bring people like Ruffin and JCP up for a visit to quell some of that negativity. And who knows, maybe it will even open their eyes up wide enough to sway their decision.

    USC is like a german car, every piece that breaks is of the highest quality.

  • While Cal definitely was the beneficiary of USC's sanctions and they didn't take a bunch of Oregon targets, that was never the problem for me. My disappointment is that another school was the beneficiary and not Oregon. Oregon's recruiting class is great, but we didn't capitalize on top targets we normally don't have much of a shot at. We didn't take advantage of the sanctions.

  • 97duck

    They may have hurt USC in the recruiting forum, but we are the team that must face them in division each year. I am in the camp of those that believe if Kline pans out, we will be facing some VERY stiff competition in the near future.

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  • Come on people, we've got all kinds of swag!

    Glass half empty = probably gonna whiff on some potential studs in recruiting
    Glass half full = we just won the Rose Bowl!!!
    Glass half empty = our recruiting doesn't have any 5 star recruits
    Glass half full = we just won the Rose Bowl!!!
    Glass half empty = Cal this, Cal that...
    Glass half full = We just won the fucking Rose Bowl!!!
    Glass half empty = Team X might be good next year
    Glass half full = Oregon's going to be Top fucking 5!!! (and we just won the Rose Bowl!!!)

    Glass half empty = time for another cold one!

    USC can't attribute Oregon success on the field to sanctions! panic

    This post has been edited 2 times, most recently by AvroDuck 2 years ago

    USC is like a german car, every piece that breaks is of the highest quality.

  • AvroDuck said... (original post)

    Come on people, we've got all kinds of swag!

    Glass half empty = probably gonna whiff on some potential studs in recruiting
    Glass half full = we just won the Rose Bowl!!!
    Glass half empty = our recruiting doesn't have any 5 star recruits
    Glass half full = we just won the Rose Bowl!!!
    Glass half empty = Cal this, Cal that...
    Glass half full = We just won the fucking Rose Bowl!!!
    Glass half empty = Team X might be good next year
    Glass half full = Oregon's going to be Top fucking 5!!! (and we just won the Rose Bowl!!!)

    Glass half empty = time for another cold one!

    It's not a black or white thing. Oregon just won the Rose Bowl and is about to have one of the top couple recruiting classes ever. OF COURSE I am happy with that! Can I not both be extremely excited with current success AND wish, say, McCarthy would come here?

  • Seriously? With how much Cal talk there has been in the last four days Im beginning to wonder if I am on the right site anymore. I feel sorry for that horse its been beaten so hard lately. I know Cal is on their way to a great class but how much do we really need to keep talking about it? Every single post turns into something about Cal and its getting old. Who gives a shit if Cal offers them, if they truly want to be a duck it wont matter!!!!

  • wig said... (original post)

    It's not a black or white thing. Oregon just won the Rose Bowl and is about to have one of the top couple recruiting classes ever. OF COURSE I am happy with that! Can I not both be extremely excited with current success AND wish, say, McCarthy would come here?

    Yes. Yes you can. But it's clear he's not already so its time to move on from him. We all play the 5 star dream lineup game, I look at lists all the time and pencil in who would dominate on the field, but the reality is we are usually on the outside looking in for many of these 5 stars. I thought we would have a great shot at Murphy but that will probably prove wrong. There's a time and a place to cut free and be happy with what you've got rather than what you could have rather than drag on the misery. Just a difference in perspective I guess.

    USC is like a german car, every piece that breaks is of the highest quality.

  • AvroDuck said... (original post)

    Yes. Yes you can. But it's clear he's not already so its time to move on from him. We all play the 5 star dream lineup game, I look at lists all the time and pencil in who would dominate on the field, but the reality is we are usually on the outside looking in for many of these 5 stars. I thought we would have a great shot at Murphy but that will probably prove wrong. There's a time and a place to cut free and be happy with what you've got rather than what you could have rather than drag on the misery. Just a difference in perspective I guess.

    You and I are as close to being on the same page while disagreeing. I completely understand Oregon doesn't have the same advantages as schools in other cities. But, with the sanctions of USC and a lot of west coast talent, it would have been nice to pull a PSA or two that would typically have been more difficult without SC under sanctions.

  • We need to quit worrying about Cal. As long as Teddy Bear is coaching, they have an approximate 8-win ceiling and the Good Housekeeping Seal of Mediocrity. With three weeks to go, we have a Top 15 (or close) class and we just need to close on 3-4 of the pending visitors to finish with a class that is on par with the 2011 class. The two-deep is already oozing with talent and we are adding a new flock of great athletes.

    We can all be disappointed about missing out on this recruit or that, but it is still a great time to be a Duck fan. We'll get our share before it is through.

  • AvroDuck said... (original post)

    Come on people, we've got all kinds of swag!

    Glass half empty = probably gonna whiff on some potential studs in recruiting
    Glass half full = we just won the Rose Bowl!!!
    Glass half empty = our recruiting doesn't have any 5 star recruits
    Glass half full = we just won the Rose Bowl!!!
    Glass half empty = Cal this, Cal that...
    Glass half full = We just won the fucking Rose Bowl!!!
    Glass half empty = Team X might be good next year
    Glass half full = Oregon's going to be Top fucking 5!!! (and we just won the Rose Bowl!!!)

    Glass half empty = time for another cold one!

    USC can't attribute Oregon success on the field to sanctions! panic

    So loosing seantrel Henderson and Malik Jackson didn't hurt sc?

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  • Alonzo Harris said... (original post)

    So loosing seantrel Henderson and Malik Jackson didn't hurt sc?

    Maybe it did, but probably not as much as 5 star chasing and poor player development the last couple of PC's tenure. The cupboards weren't exactly stocked when Pete left, were they? But that really is a separate point. AvroDuck is simply saying that the sanctions have very little or no relation to Oregon's success. Since the sanctions were handed down; how many recruits can you name that USC really went after hard, but went to Oregon instead? DAT is out of the conversation since his decision had nothing to do with sanctions.

  • Bairdy said... (original post)

    Maybe it did, but probably not as much as 5 star chasing and poor player development the last couple of PC's tenure. The cupboards weren't exactly stocked when Pete left, were they? But that really is a separate point. AvroDuck is simply saying that the sanctions have very little or no relation to Oregon's success. Since the sanctions were handed down; how many recruits can you name that USC really went after hard, but went to Oregon instead? DAT is out of the conversation since his decision had nothing to do with sanctions.

    DAT's decision had nothing to do with USC being on sanctions??!!! Um... WTF?? You gotta be kidding me. I bet the first words out of CK's mouth was, "Man, sorry I'm late Mr. Thomas, my flight back from the NCG was delayed. Man, sure is nice being able to play in post-season bowls, too bad USC still can't even do that next year either. By the way, you wanna come visit Oregon some time? You'll love it up there." Let's be real, USC being on sanctions had impacts on every recruit that was considering going there. From bowl bans to loss of scholarships, it makes them all think. DAT is one, and Blackmon is another guy that would've been a USC lock if they weren't on sanctions. BJ Kelly, DAT, Blackmon, and you have multiple out of state guys that would normally be taking long looks at USC over us if they were going to come out west to play ball.

  • And in regards to the, "We should be the beneficiary's to the USC sanctions instead of Cal" feelings, let's be real. Those guys that wanted to go to USC and would've been locks for there are going to Cal because A. It's still in CA B. A great school, education, and networking possibilities once out of college, and C. Still has the big-town vibe with it's close proximity to the bay area big-cities. We definitely have benefitted from USC's sanctions in that those athletes that would've picked them, DAT, Blackmon, Kelly, etc. picked Oregon. Notice how Cal is getting the defensive players and linemen?? That's because Oregon plays a very different defense, plays 3-4, and the defense subs, A LOT. Other teams don't do that. Oregon's scheme is for the D-line to take the double-teams and for LB's to come in free... Why would McCarthy or Armstead want to come to a school where they are the guys getting double-teamed while the LB's fire away?? That's why those big linemen love the 4-3. That mainly applies to the D-linemen, guys like Thompsen,etc. who play Safety or DB are different. Thompsen clearly loves Cal, and has family ties to that school. We load up on Safeties and DB's each year. But as far as linemen go, they wouldn't go to us anyways, we gotta realize it's not the recruiting, or lack thereof, it's not just that they don't like Oregon, it's also our defensive style. There's a reason we don't land these big time linemen except for once in a blue moon. But let's be real, for the style we play, we got the exact guys we need in the class.

  • Duck_Your_Luck said... (original post)

    DAT's decision had nothing to do with USC being on sanctions??!!! Um... WTF?? You gotta be kidding me. I bet the first words out of CK's mouth was, "Man, sorry I'm late Mr. Thomas, my flight back from the NCG was delayed. Man, sure is nice being able to play in post-season bowls, too bad USC still can't even do that next year either. By the way, you wanna come visit Oregon some time? You'll love it up there." Let's be real, USC being on sanctions had impacts on every recruit that was considering going there. From bowl bans to loss of scholarships, it makes them all think. DAT is one, and Blackmon is another guy that would've been a USC lock if they weren't on sanctions. BJ Kelly, DAT, Blackmon, and you have multiple out of state guys that would normally be taking long looks at USC over us if they were going to come out west to play ball.

    I don't think you're way off base, but a little none the less. DAT wanted out of L.A. and wanted to play offense. Lame Kiffen wanted him on the defensive side. Pretty simple.

  • USC being down through free agency and negative recruiting helps Oregon's success no? I mean if your biggest competition has an arm tied behind their back it is beneficial to your program. SC is a different team with a 1st team all-SEC D-End and the #1 recruit in the country at O-Tackle. It at least would've lessened to blow of loosing Jarvis Jones, which didn't have anything to do with sanctions.

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  • sjb said... (original post)

    I don't think you're way off base, but a little none the less. DAT wanted out of L.A. and wanted to play offense. Lame Kiffen wanted him on the defensive side. Pretty simple.

    That's very true joeduck. I didn't mention that Kiffin wanted DAT at DB, and Kelly wanted him at RB/WR. That's a very good point. I was mainly trying to point at the post above, where the guy said that USC being on sanctions had NOTHING to do with DAT going to Oregon... DAT played DB in the All-American game his senior year and was lighting up the field. He would've made for a stud DB.

  • Duck_Your_Luck said... (original post)

    That's very true joeduck. I didn't mention that Kiffin wanted DAT at DB, and Kelly wanted him at RB/WR. That's a very good point. I was mainly trying to point at the post above, where the guy said that USC being on sanctions had NOTHING to do with DAT going to Oregon... DAT played DB in the All-American game his senior year and was lighting up the field. He would've made for a stud DB.

    I would love to see him play both sides of the ball at Oregon as well. The kid is an astounding athlete, and seems to make plays no matter where you put him on the field.

  • Duck_Your_Luck said... (original post)

    And in regards to the, "We should be the beneficiary's to the USC sanctions instead of Cal" feelings, let's be real. Those guys that wanted to go to USC and would've been locks for there are going to Cal because A. It's still in CA B. A great school, education, and networking possibilities once out of college, and C. Still has the big-town vibe with it's close proximity to the bay area big-cities. We definitely have benefitted from USC's sanctions in that those athletes that would've picked them, DAT, Blackmon, Kelly, etc. picked Oregon. Notice how Cal is getting the defensive players and linemen?? That's because Oregon plays a very different defense, plays 3-4, and the defense subs, A LOT. Other teams don't do that. Oregon's scheme is for the D-line to take the double-teams and for LB's to come in free... Why would McCarthy or Armstead want to come to a school where they are the guys getting double-teamed while the LB's fire away?? That's why those big linemen love the 4-3. That mainly applies to the D-linemen, guys like Thompsen,etc. who play Safety or DB are different. Thompsen clearly loves Cal, and has family ties to that school. We load up on Safeties and DB's each year. But as far as linemen go, they wouldn't go to us anyways, we gotta realize it's not the recruiting, or lack thereof, it's not just that they don't like Oregon, it's also our defensive style. There's a reason we don't land these big time linemen except for once in a blue moon. But let's be real, for the style we play, we got the exact guys we need in the class.

    Cal runs a true 3-4, so. . .

  • Duck_Your_Luck said... (original post)

    That's very true joeduck. I didn't mention that Kiffin wanted DAT at DB, and Kelly wanted him at RB/WR. That's a very good point. I was mainly trying to point at the post above, where the guy said that USC being on sanctions had NOTHING to do with DAT going to Oregon... DAT played DB in the All-American game his senior year and was lighting up the field. He would've made for a stud DB.

    But did not want to play that position, so how does USC being on sanctions change that? It doesn't!

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  • Duck_Your_Luck said... (original post)

    DAT's decision had nothing to do with USC being on sanctions??!!! Um... WTF?? You gotta be kidding me. I bet the first words out of CK's mouth was, "Man, sorry I'm late Mr. Thomas, my flight back from the NCG was delayed. Man, sure is nice being able to play in post-season bowls, too bad USC still can't even do that next year either. By the way, you wanna come visit Oregon some time? You'll love it up there." Let's be real, USC being on sanctions had impacts on every recruit that was considering going there. From bowl bans to loss of scholarships, it makes them all think. DAT is one, and Blackmon is another guy that would've been a USC lock if they weren't on sanctions. BJ Kelly, DAT, Blackmon, and you have multiple out of state guys that would normally be taking long looks at USC over us if they were going to come out west to play ball.

    First, I never saw anything about DAT's decision to come here being related to sanctions. Even on the Trojan board I saw the following: wanted to get out of LA, running from gang issue, Nike's paying him, etc. So if you have info to the contrary I must have missed it, would love to see it. Second, we weren't pursuing DAT after the bowl game, he came to us. The other guys you are referring to are all speculation on your part. As an example, did Blackmon ever say he was an SC lock? I recall that he said he signed with us because it felt like family for him.