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Do you like being someone's second or third option in dating/job life in general? I sure don't. Shaq unofficially tripping to Udub really bothered me. It says a lot about what he really thinks of Oregon.
We are so focused on what Shaq thinks of Oregon, but what about what we think of Shaq? He isn't sure of what he wants. Oregon wasn't even in his final three at the Army AA Bowl when he announce for Cal, but Udub was. He doesn't like the laid back, small town lifestyle.
When I think of Shaq, I think of guys like Jabari Brown, Seastrunk, Barron, etc. There weren't MENTALLY fully committed to Oregon. I'll take another talented 3/4 star that's a little smaller and slower but LOVES Oregon over a guy that is somewhat "settling" for the Ducks.
I know, I know, you can't deny his physical talent. I used to think solely about physical talent being all that matters from childhood up until maybe my mid-20s. But the most important thing that separates a good player that hasn't reached his potential from great players that comprise a championship team is the one that is emotionally, 100% invested in his teammates and the place he goes to school. Not someone that is indecisive and really don't love our program. If he's not happy off the football field, it will show on the field and in the lockerroom.
I know this won't be popular with many and I'll get some downvotes (I've said from day 1 - I do not care about votes), but it's just another way to look at this. I'm over Shaq unless he somehow has a change of heart and somehow really wants to be a Duck. Shaq alone won't turn around the Huskies, however, with Tosh and Wilcox, etc., they will pose good competition again in 2-3 years. It's inevitable that they won't be doormats forever.
No downvote, but I couldn't disagree more.
Choosing your college is a huge life decision. It is made exponentially more difficult when many people have vested interest in your decision.
I am very empathetic toward shaq and all other PSA's, and I think it is unfair to make any sort of judgements on the kids during this trying time.
I hope he comes to UO, but if he thinks a different path is better for him, I wish him all the luck in the world.
Edit: after re-reading your post, I'm not sure my response is for you (that is, I don't disagree with you). Perhaps mine is a separate point, but one that (as you can tell) I feel pretty strongly about. Sorry, Cougs, if I came across rudely.
This post was edited by sickmyduck 2 years ago
If he signs his letter of intent to Oregon that means he wants Oregon and thats enough for me. Even if he's not 100% certain, get him on campus, get him enrolled, get him around his teammates and coaches and he'll fall in love with being a Duck. And he'll dominate.
You mean the Jabari Brown that committed like 6 months before signing day? This is a big decision for Shaq and he deserves the respect to allow him to make his decision in his own manner.
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This. And if he doesn't end up working hard and wanting to be here he can transfer and we will be fine.
If you think about it, in some ways we were also Armstead's 3rd or 4th choice. First it was USC, then it was Cal, then it was looking good for ND. This isn't speculation...it's all been reported. He would have been at USC if not for the fiasco with his brother. He would have been at Cal if not for Tosh's departure. He would have been at ND if the waiver paperwork and medical clearance had come through for his brother.
So, should we pull his scholarship? Hell no! Yes, we were clearly not Armstead's first choice but in the end, things worked out for our best interest and I think we are all grateful for it. Sometimes it just works out that other options need to fall through for the cream to rise to the top.
So, as far as Shaq is concerned...I think, as it's been pointed out by many sources, that he is simply having a difficult time choosing his best option. Give the guy a break...he's making a life altering decision and wants to be fully informed. I see that as a sign of maturity, and not some selfish drive. I don't think he's anything like Jabari or Seastrunk or whoever. He's simply trying to do the best thing for his future. If you can't see that, then you're the one I have concerns about...not him. If he decides to commit to us then I welcome him with open arms. If he decides to go elsewhere, then I wish him all the best (even if it is with the Fuskies) except of course when he plays against us.
This is ridiculous man. You're making comparisons of a kid that YOU DON'T KNOW to other kids YOU DIDN'T KNOW. You're making assumptions of what this kid wants, what his character is like, etc. Seriously? The real kicker of this is you (and everyone else with this type of approach) will be celebrating as much as anyone if he chooses Oregon.
Let me ask ... were you happy when Armstead committed to Oregon yesterday? Unless you seriously weren't, your approach is hypocritical. Armstead was committed to USC. After his decommitment, he was set to be a Cal commit. Tosh leaves Cal, and Armstead and his brother were close to commiting to Notre Dame. Yet, at the end of the day he ends up at Oregon. 2nd, 3rd, 4th choice? Who cares!! He's a Duck. Let's let his own career play out, and see what happens. And the same approach should be taken with Shaq.
These are 17-18 year old kids facing the biggest decision they've had to make in their lives. Cut them a little slack. For crying out loud.
You seriously never dated anyone else before you met your wife? We aren't the 3rd option, he was "dating" Cal and found out stuff he didn't like about them and broke it off. If he chooses us, I don't see an issue.
Is this a joke? Of course he's right for Oregon. The question is whether Oregon is right for him.
The trip to Washington bothered YOU? Oh my, how dare he take trips to schools he's interested in to make a more informed decision about his future.
This post was edited by Moozh 2 years ago
As I posted somewhere else... Shaq is a beast and if you watched the AA game or have seen any tape you would want him. Clearly the staff wants him given recent actions. As for being anyone's third choice... I think that says more about you than anything.
If I am 3rd, I want to be 1st. I started a company with 5 people 3 years ago and now have more than 45 people with offices in DC, NY and London. My business is competitive. If I or any of my employees had that mindset we wouldn't achieve success over any period of time. CK isn't backing off because it's not in his DNA. Shaq seems like a good kid whose services are coveted by some great schools and he's confused.
I would never want to see CK back off Shaq just as I would never want CK to do anything to compromise the integrity of our program. Thankfully I don't think either are going to happen.
No bashing or questioning a kid, come on Cougs! You know you aren't allowed to assume anything about a player, unless of course it's that he is perfect. Haven't you figured this out already?
Personally, I don't agree with your whole post but I did give you an upvote for taking the time to write it when you knew everyone would panic and give you a down vote.
Meanwhile, JHop posted on twitter -
"Well-placed sources at #UCLA and #Oregon each tell me Shaq Thompson committed to them last week. Then, he visits #UW"
5 minutes later the Shaq posted -
"Why does the media always put stuff you don't say, and say you committed some where you didn't #true facts"
I get what you're all saying. Yes, it would be great if he ended up at Oregon and turned out a success. I'm not questioning his character, I'm questioning his desire to play here.
Armstead always had a lot more interest in Oregon than Shaq did. I just don't see why people are pining over someone that has never shown a lot of interest in attending Oregon. I'm wondering if he is only considering Oregon after Tosh left because we are a great program and not because he actually wants to be here, attend school here, LIVE here. There's a difference between picking a place because it seems logical (Oregon is the best program) as opposed to picking where your heart wants you to go. I see no indication that he thinks of Oregon in the way that matters.
The staff is obviously making an exception for him because he's just that talented. But thank goodness the staff looks beyond physical measurables and rankings in their selection of most recruits.
There's a big difference between teams that have players that love where they play and love their school and a team that has guys that are playing on a team simply because it's the best team or gives him the most exposure.
I hope I'm wrong and he likes Oregon. We all have unpopular opinions at times and I realize a lot of you are caught up in someones stats and physical measurables, but sometimes the bigger picture is more important.
My post doesn't say anything about me. Would you rather have employees that really WANT to work for you? Or ones that are just going with you because you were the 3rd and last option they had left and they just want any job in this economy? It has nothing to do with me personally. I value people who WANT someothing and desire it over someone settling when they wish they had better. That's all it is.
These are young kids making a life decision. It is ok for them waiver and change minds. Hopefully they are looking at more than just a football program when they commit and make their decision.
I down voted you, then accidentally up voted you... someone help me out and down vote this poor guy... I don't have any left.
DUDE, I love the fact that you are a duck fan. If you don't understand why "some people are pining over someone that has never shown interest" then you don't understand football. Have you ever been so passionate about something that you just accept someone not understanding why? That's why you recruit Shaq until he's gone... he's that good and Oregon is that special.
This post was edited by DC_DUCK 2 years ago
Couldnt agree more.
People who take time to decide and "mill" things over usually come to better decisions.
Cal was Shaq's choice but because of Tosh/close to home. Tosh moved to Huskies. Shaq didnt like the Huskies. Now that Tosh is there he wanted to see if there was a possible fit. Plain and simple.
UCLA is closer to home thats all.
Oregon is more intriguing now that he has meet with Chip and AA is commited.
In the end its a three horse race. I like Oregon's chances. In my mind we have been the constant one throughout.
Let Shaq make the right decision for him.
I hope its Oregon!
This post has been edited 2 times, most recently by ropingduck 2 years ago
I don't mean to sound like he's not a good guy just because he's indecisive, it just sounds to me like he doesn't want to be here bad enough, and I don't believ ein taking in someone that feels that way. Obviously, he's one of those guys that is an exception. Perhaps I just think He's all about Udub and not us. We'll see.
I hope I'm wrong and you can rub it in my face. I'll gladly take that.
"Release Me Cuhhhhhhhh"
So I'm assuming then that when you were a 17/18 year old kid, you had everything figured out? Cut the kid some slack. If anything this shows that Shaq really is obsessing over trying to make the right decision. I would think that if he chooses Oregon, he did so because he was sure that he was making the right decision for himself. That to me speaks to his maturity considering he's a high school senior.
up vote big daddy!
You can downvote me all you want. I know what's truly important in life and what's not. Some of you make this all way, way too big of a deal.
According to Colin Cowherd, those of us on these boards are all die hard fans that lack perception and are driven by emotion. He also said Rich/successful men's two biggest weakness/flaws are sports and women. I agree with him wholeheartedly on both counts.
I believe what a guy has inside and desires counts for a lot. That's all there is to it. You can spin it into beating up on a young kid, etc., etc. all you want. The coaching staff recruits with the same kind of values, not just based on measurables and rankings. He clearly goes by another set of rules because he's that good. Hopefully I'm wrong Wednesday, and ultimately down the road, about this guy.
And DC, you never answered my question about employees...
I just knew people on here were going to flip out lol.
This post was edited by Cougs201 2 years ago
Cougs, you're just trying to generalize a kid that you don't know. You say he doesn't want to be at Oregon . . . how do you know that? Because he preferred Cal more (before Tosh left)? Because he seems to like UW and UCLA? Because he has yet to commit to Oregon? Come on man . . .
Lots of kids ... and many at Oregon ... didn't necessarily have Oregon as their first choice. How about DAT? Josh Huff? Just a couple of example where they were committed to other schools before Oregon. And that's okay. There are plenty of other fantastic universities and football programs in the country.
If Shaq chooses Oregon, the likely assumption is that he did so because he wants to be here. Hopefully people like you with the opinion you've shared don't hold the recruiting process against him.
I've had an addiction to women, especially ones from South America for years... it's like a disease... so I finally married one. As for sports being a weakness/flaw.... I won't touch that one. I also like sports cars and fly fishing (now that is a weakness). And I like to $upport my Ducks. It's emotion that pays for all that cool architecture you see around campus
This post has been edited 2 times, most recently by DC_DUCK 2 years ago
I don't know man. It's hard for me to look at what you said and not think that it is you who is lacking the proper perspective. This is literally the biggest decision in this kid's life, and he is trying to make an informed decision. I get how people can look at the situation and think Shaq is just being a prima donna and looking for attention, but the simple fact of the matter is that everything that has been written about him, and even relayed to us by insiders suggest that he's a humble kid who is torn because he doesn't know what to do. It's easy for you to say what's inside that counts, but the kid is 18 years old. When I was 18, I hadn't the slightest clue of who I was and what I wanted in life. As someone who transferred during undergrad, I can certainly understand and appreciate the time that a high school senior is putting into making the decision of where to spend his college years. Uiltimately I think he ends up at Oregon because it's such a great situation for him, but it's ridiculous to question the kid's motives.
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