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I just thought about him when I heard about us interested in getting another CB. I really think we missed out on him, he seemed really interested.
IMO, this says Juwaan will come in as a WR rather than a DB, leaving the Ducks depth particularly thin at CB. While we return 4 CBs, all of them regulars, I expect one or two to leave early for the NFL after 2013. Specically, Ifo and Mitchell are early out candidates.
This is bull.
Look at the past 3-4 seasons of recruiting and there are few recruits committing between Sept and November. Historically December and January are the months the ducks do damage.
Chip always acted like a professional...trying to beat the man down after he's gone is lame. UO owes a lot to coach Kelly.
Very serious. We turned away more kids than I can ever remember and a lot of other recruits just withered on the vine and went away. We are closing well but with several "back-up plan" kids that can still play. No conspiracy theory -- I just believe he had one foot out the door longer than we originally thought and it showed in the lack of attention to recruiting. Just my humble opinion. Does not mean that I am still not grateful for all he did for the program and he was obviously a great coach.
No attempt to beat him down. He is the best coach we ever had and may always stay that way and we do owe a lot to him. But as per my last post we turned away numerous kids (more than I can ever remember) that were taken by other top-flite programs and other recruits withered from lack of attention and went away. I agree with your take in timing within the year, but our recruiting did not slow down after the Robinson twins......it died but for a couple of projects until Mattingly three months later while other PAC-12 schools had a regular stream of commits.
Again, just my humble opinion.
Exactly. Keep in mind that his 'style' attracted recruits that produced a 46-7 win-loss record.
If you want to recruit "stars", then follow USC. You can cheer when they finish with a 7-6 record. You can speak with pride about your "star" players fighting in the locker room after scoring 7 points against a 6-7 Ga.Tech team in El Paso during the holidays.
Helfrich is carrying on the professionalism that was ingrained into the system by Chip.
Exactly! Thank you for posting. AND we owe a lot to coach Kelly for his teams' on-field performances! It's not all about star ranking between 3* and 4/5* if those guys don't show up and buy in to the system (re: Gabe King, George Farmer, Dillon Baxter, Kyle Prater, Markeith Ambles, DJ Morgan etc. etc. etc.)
Also...the rant continues....but my buddy is a huge Gator fan and the reason Muschamp at UF didn't want ANY PIECE of this Leon McQuay III character was his lack of just that and he has little dedication to football (re: picking schools based on their music programs) - watch him fizzle out like the 6 "studs" listed above.
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LOL I guess we're on the same wavelenths, hungryduck..
I agree with DuckFlav on this one.
None of these last minute offers are to guys that were high on the coaches' board. This may not be desperation, but it's definitely Plan D.
Kelly let tons of guys go without a commitable offer, guys like Gareon Conley, for example, and more. Does anyone really think that these new offers are going to guys the staff coveted two months ago? No.
Doesn't change the fact that Kelly was a phenomenal coach at Oregon.
I don't think Chip was "letting it slide" as much as he was just taking an extremely conservative approach. Most coaches go from plan A to plan B to plan C and so on. Chip just stopped after plan B or C instead of going down the list like most coaches do. It's hard to argue with the results...
Yeah, I think that Chip probably was just like, my way or the highway. He was determined... and stubborn.
In the end he got the players he wanted, maybe just not as many as he would have liked.
Still would like to see them just carry these schollies over to next year rather than offer more projects.
We do have the coaches and players in place for a couple years to get the projects up to speed. The staff now is in option c I'm sure. Would it be different if Chip was here? Really did think about this earlier. Thought's?
Not sure. Chip was always into carrying multiple scholarships over from year to year, so I tend to think he would have done the same this year.
Another indication of that was the small projected class size. That seems to have changed with the Helfrich hire. I think Chip would have kept the class tighter, but probably still would have put out a couple last minute offers at OL and LB.
Personally, I think regardless if Kelly was the coach at Oregon or not, Oregon would be hitting up "Plans B and C". Prior to this past weekend, Oregon only had 13 commitments. Something was going to have to give when it came to offers and Helfrich just so happened to be the guy issuing them. A clean slate next season should mean a smaller flurry of late offers (in theory) this time next year.
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I see the turning players away part. I don't think it had anything to do with chip not trying. jmo, no hard feelings.
I'd say he tried to win the Fiesta Bowl and I thank him for that.
How were their records? Did they go 46-7 with 4 straight BCS games? I can sleep comfortably not remembering numerous kids we turned away...
Alot of people feel they have to defend Chip, but I don't think what you said was in any way an attack on Chip. It is very possible Chip was pretty certain he was moving on and recruiting for next year wasn't a priority for him. Winning games this season and getting to another BCS Bowl was a priority and he handled his biz accordingly.
I don't think it is farfetched to think Chip wasn't focused on recruiting, nor coach Azz who most likely knew he would be going with Chip. We didn't start offering and pursuing all of these DL until after Chip and Azz left. Anyone who thinks that Chip wasn't talking to NFL teams throughout the whole season is delusional. Guaranteed teams like Philly were calling him a after a few losses.
No conspiracy theories and not a shot on Chip or Azz, but it's is possible there heads were not in the recruiting game.
There was definitely something strange going on this year in recruiting.
The Ducks had a settlement negotiated with the NCAA staff which would have reduced scholarships and coaching visits but would not have led to a bowl ban. The COI blew up the settlement, opting for a hearing instead. This meant the Ducks have about three more scholarships to give this year. Plus Wallace, Bennett and Scales all left and Fox graduated and left. This is about a net of seven more scholarships, hence the late flurry.
If we do not get kids we want we'll carry over theses school;airships. The team is stacked at every position for three years. The need is for high ceiling "projects" who are content to learn, redshirt and play back-up and special team roles until their junior/senior years in 2016 and 2017. This does not mean we won't take high star, play now kids but there is no pressing need and stacking up "hot," big ego kids leads to dissent and can ruin team chemistry.
Excellent post sir!
Thanks, I've never had that explained to me before regarding what went on with the COI.
2014 is poised to be a much more active recruiting year.
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