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Oregon coaches exchanged 400 texts w/ Lyles the past four years

  • http://www2.registerguard.com/cms/index.php/duck-football/comments/oregon-coaches-exchanged-some-400-text-messages-with-willie-lyles-the-past-/

    Chip Kelly exchanged text messages via cell phones with Willie Lyles on numerous occasions while the current Oregon head coach was the offensive coordinator of the Ducks, with the volume greatly decreasing since Kelly’s elevation to run the program in March 2009.

    Records released by the University of Oregon, in response to media requests, show that Oregon coaches made or accepted 70 calls in a fourth-month period that ended in March of 2010, when the football program paid $25,000 to Lyles for outdated recruiting information just a few weeks after Texas running back Lache Seastrunk signed with the Ducks.

    Lyles had been serving as a mentor to Seastrunk.

    The records of cell phone calls shows that Gary Campbell, the UO running backs coach, made 27 calls to Lyles during that time and received 11 more from Lyles, while Kelly’s cell phone showed only one call made to Lyles, for a three-minute duration.

    The UO records also show some 400 text messages exchanged between Lyles and UO coaches over the past four years, the heaviest volume of those involving Kelly at a time when he was still the offensive coordinator.

    Kelly traded 12 texts with Lyles on the two days before Jan. 17, 2008, when UO received a verbal commitment from LaMichael James, who has described Lyles as an advisor.

    There was also a flurry of seven texts sent by Kelly to Lyles’ number in the wee hours of Oct. 17, 2008, the first of those sent at 12:30 a.m. Kelly followed that with texts at 12:39 a.m. and 2:58 a.m. before Lyles responded at 7:28 a.m. Kelly then sent another at 8:09 a.m. and received responses from Lyles at 8:28 and 8:32 before Kelly sent texts at 10:29 and 10:31 a.m. That date was a Friday during a bye week for the Ducks.

    There was another early morning exchange between Kelly and Lyles six weeks later, with Kelly receiving a text from Lyles at 10 minutes past midnight on Dec. 1, 2008. Kelly sent a response at 12:54 a.m., and received a text back from Lyles two minutes later. Lyles followed with another at 2:07 a.m. before Kelly sent a text to Lyles at 2:09 a.m., followed by another two minutes later.

    On Dec. 2, 2008, the university announced that Kelly would succeed Mike Bellotti as the head coach.

    The records supplied by the UO showed that along with Campbell, assistant coaches Mark Helfrich, John Neal and Scott Frost also made calls to Lyles during the time frame in the media request, though Lyles only exchanged text messages with Campbell and Kelly, based on the UO listing.

  • Southern California has been stripped of its 2004 football national title by the Bowl Championship Series, the latest consequences of N.C.A.A. violations that had already cost Reggie Bush his Heisman Trophy and kept the Trojans from being eligible for bowl games for the 2010 and 2011 seasons.

    The B.C.S. said such a move was being contemplated when the university’s N.C.A.A. sanctions were announced last year, but the decision was delayed while Southern California appealed those sanctions. That appeal was denied by the N.C.A.A. two weeks ago.

    It is the first time that a consensus major college football champion has been stripped of its title.

  • No real comment from me on the subject matter, but I exchange more than 400 texts per month with a handful of people. 400 in 4 years actually seems pretty low to me for a recruiting service person.

    Just my opinion.

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  • Are you serious? LOL someones trying to pull a rabbit out of their ass lol. Since when did txting become a recruiting violation? Redonculous!

  • Justin Hopkins said... (original post)

    No real comment from me on the subject matter, but I exchange more than 400 texts per month with a handful of people. 400 in 4 years actually seems pretty low to me for a recruiting service person.

    Just my opinion.

    I don't think it's necessarily the volume of texts that the author is pointing to, it's more the past connection with Lyles (before his personal scouting service was founded in 2010) and the timing of the communication between him and the coaches.

    "Kelly traded 12 texts with Lyles on the two days before Jan. 17, 2008, when UO received a verbal commitment from LaMichael James, who has described Lyles as an advisor."

    All of this combined with what we've seen so far in terms of Lyles' scouting information is what makes people a bit suspicious.

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    6DyNasTy6 said... (original post)

    I don't think it's necessarily the volume of texts that the author is pointing to, it's more the past connection with Lyles (before his personal scouting service was founded in 2010) and the timing of the communication between him and the coaches.

    "Kelly traded 12 texts with Lyles on the two days before Jan. 17, 2008, when UO received a verbal commitment from LaMichael James, who has described Lyles as an advisor."

    All of this combined with what we've seen so far in terms of Lyles' scouting information is what makes people a bit suspicious.

    DyNasty...I think you are forgetting that Lyles worked for reputed recruiting services during this time. It would make perfect sense for Lyles to have communication with our coaches. I believe prior to starting his own service (or whatever it is he was doing) he was a representative for ESS for the state of Florida and other parts of the southeast. These texts (unless the content is convicting) really don't seem to matter. Now unfortunately, I find the package information to be quite problematic.

    I don't recall any duck posters jumping to the USC forum to post new topics outlining the downfall of your program...We are all able to find and read these articles without your assistance thank you. Honestly, It is just really poor form on your part.

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  • 97duck said... (original post)

    DyNasty...I think you are forgetting that Lyles worked for reputed recruiting services during this time. It would make perfect sense for Lyles to have communication with our coaches. I believe prior to starting his own service (or whatever it is he was doing) he was a representative for ESS for the state of Florida and other parts of the southeast. These texts (unless the content is convicting) really don't seem to matter. Now unfortunately, I find the package information to be quite problematic.

    I don't recall any duck posters jumping to the USC forum to post new topics outlining the downfall of your program...We are all able to find and read these articles without your assistance thank you. Honestly, It is just really poor form on your part.

    Oregon hasn't signed any recruits from Florida dating back to at least 2008. Why all the communication with a person who covers a region you don't sign players from?

  • 6DyNasTy6 said... (original post)

    Oregon hasn't signed any recruits from Florida dating back to at least 2008. Why all the communication with a person who covers a region you don't sign players from?

    For one, that's false. Two, even if we hadn't that doesn't mean we weren't trying to. Does USC ignore players from regions they haven't signed from in the past?

  • Duckit said... (original post)

    For one, that's false. Two, even if we hadn't that doesn't mean we weren't trying to. Does USC ignore players from regions they haven't signed from in the past?

    Perhaps I missed someone. Who has Oregon signed from Florida since 2008?

    Are you telling me you don't find it odd that there are over 400 text messages linking the Oregon coaches to one man who bounced from one scouting service to another, and then started his own service, which Oregon happened to use even though it was in its first year of existence?

    Here are a few questions that need to be answered:

    1. How many other schools purchased the same scouting package from Lyles, and what did they receive?
    2. Was Lyles exchanging the same amount of texts with coaches from other schools?
    3. Why can't Oregon locate the scouting film from Lyles? (per ESPN, services sending film will have their logo on it)

    This post was edited by 6DyNasTy6 3 years ago

  • "Oregon hasn't signed any recruits from Florida dating back to at least 2008."

    except for Isaac Dixon who signed in 2010. nice try though. 400 texts is about 8 a month for 4 years. that's a blip on the radar screen.

  • 6DyNasTy6 said... (original post)

    "Oregon hasn't signed any recruits from Florida dating back to at least 2008."

    except for Isaac Dixon who signed in 2010. nice try though. 400 texts is about 8 a month for 4 years. that's a blip on the radar screen.

    Lyles wasn't working for any scouting service in 2010, that's when he started his own business. So as soon as Lyles stopped scouting Florida, Oregon signs a player from the state. And Lyles' list of recruits given to Oregon didn't have any players from Florida on it.

    The big question here is what did other schools who purchased scouting information from Lyles receive?

    This post was edited by 6DyNasTy6 3 years ago

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    6DyNasTy6 said... (original post)

    Oregon hasn't signed any recruits from Florida dating back to at least 2008. Why all the communication with a person who covers a region you don't sign players from?

    Firstly, we signed 1 player from FL in 2009, then we signed 2 from FL in 2010. I would imagine it takes time to build inroads to any state in recruiting and would require having communication with coaches and recruiting services that handle those states over a period of time prior to actually signing someone.

    Secondly, we currently have players on the roster from 18 different states. Does this mean that if we have communication with anyone from the remaining 32 states in the union that we are in violation or shouldn't be speaking with them?

    Thirdly, Florida consistenly has some of the best high school football players in the country. Are you suggesting that just because we don't normally sign players from that sort of high producing state we should just forego all communication with anyone there?

    Fourthly, UO has made a significant push to recruit nationally in the last few years and are starting to reap the benefits of relationships in these further regions. I would imagine that some of these players and coaches are now listening to us because we have been spending much more time in their backyard over the last few years (even during years when we weren't signing kids from their schools), and winning more than just about any other program in the country over the last few years.

    Lastly, we are now starting to sign some of these kids partly because of the nationally televised waxing we have given your team the last two years both home and away. I wonder, is there anyone left on the USC roster that has actually tasted a victory over the Ducks?

    This post was edited by 97duck 3 years ago

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  • It is fishy no doubt but at the same time its one of those things where you can't pin it exactly on it. There's no proof we paid for Seastrunk or James. Just what appears to be that. No recordings, no texts that state that, no e-mails asking for a price.

  • Oregon signed Tacoi Sumler last year, would have signed Jerrard Randall too had he qualified academically.

    Randall was a player that worked with Fish at ESS- Florida. He despised the fact Oregon was going to sign him.

    Lyles worked for ESS (Elite Scouting Services) for several years, then started his own company after they terminated him from not performing in the Texas region. He was missing player profiles, videos, etc. Things he was asked to do for ESS-Florida by Fish.

    He started working for himself immediately, but delayed starting his actual own business with website etc.

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  • Justin Hopkins said... (original post)

    Oregon signed Tacoi Sumler last year, would have signed Jerrard Randall too had he qualified academically.

    Randall was a player that worked with Fish at ESS- Florida. He despised the fact Oregon was going to sign him.

    Lyles worked for ESS (Elite Scouting Services) for several years, then started his own company after they terminated him from not performing in the Texas region. He was missing player profiles, videos, etc. Things he was asked to do for ESS-Florida by Fish.

    He started working for himself immediately, but delayed starting his actual own business with website etc.

    Thanks for the reply.

    Do you happen to know what other schools purchased the same package as Oregon did from Lyles? I believe I heard LSU and Cal used Lyles' services, but I'm not sure if that's correct.

  • Seems like not knowing, yet professing wrong doing, is par for the course where some are concerned

    This post was edited by L Perry 3 years ago

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  • 6DyNasTy6 said... (original post)

    Seems like not knowing, yet professing wrong doing, is par for the course were some are concerned

    I don't think I've seen anyone profess wrong doing yet, just a lot of people feeling something suspicious is going on based on what's been released so far.

  • 6DyNasTy6 said... (original post)

    I don't think I've seen anyone profess wrong doing yet, just a lot of people feeling something suspicious is going on based on what's been released so far.

    Right, like insisting that we have not signed anyone from Florida since 2008 (wrongly I might add) yet had communications with Lyles is not pointed inuendo to implicate us in wrong doing? roflmao Also Lyles was covering Tejas as well for ESS. So...

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  • What so odd about us texting him? It's a known fact we were working with him, so wouldn't it be assumed we would talk to him while working with him?

  • ducklefty said... (original post)

    What so odd about us texting him? It's a known fact we were working with him, so wouldn't it be assumed we would talk to him while working with him?

    The text messages could be nothing, or they could be a big deal, depending on what was said. Does the NCAA have access to what was said in the messages?

    Ultimately, it doesn't matter what the NCAA can prove, it only matters what they BELIEVE. If the NCAA believes that Oregon's relationship with Lyles was a "pay for a recruit" situation, they already have enough to sanction Oregon. You can say, "but nothing they have actually proves Oregon payed for a recruit," and you would be correct, but with the NCAA it only matters what they believe took place.

  • 6DyNasTy6 said... (original post)

    The text messages could be nothing, or they could be a big deal, depending on what was said. Does the NCAA have access to what was said in the messages?

    Ultimately, it doesn't matter what the NCAA can prove, it only matters what they BELIEVE. If the NCAA believes that Oregon's relationship with Lyles was a "pay for a recruit" situation, they already have enough to sanction Oregon. You can say, "but nothing they have actually proves Oregon payed for a recruit," and you would be correct, but with the NCAA it only matters what they believe took place.

    Then why not pay attention to what the NCAA is doing/saying versus what the garbage mongers, oops I mean reporters, have to say about it?? HUH???? Splain that one Lucy!

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  • 6DyNasTy6 said... (original post)

    Then why not pay attention to what the NCAA is doing/saying versus what the garbage mongers, oops I mean reporters, have to say about it?? HUH???? Splain that one Lucy!

    Because the NCAA doesn't issue statements about things like this, so there is nothing to follow. Just like the OSU investigation, all the information was media driven.

    I'm curious though, what garbage has been said by reporters?

    This post was edited by 6DyNasTy6 3 years ago

  • FWIW....I average 1600 texts a month between my family, friends, coworkers, and athletes. The title of this thread implies that there is an issue with Oregon texting 400 times over 4 years. I do that in a week. To me its not a big deal. Also, I have a friend in the compliance office at U of U. When this story broke a few months ago, we talked and he told me that the NCAA needs viable evidence to sanction a program. Either by documentation, personal statement, or confession. If they decide to penalize a program on a hunch or rumor then they risk a law suit by that program. And without evidence the program would win.