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  • debtfree9 said...

    MoneybeGreen, I like your comment about Texas. They pull in outstanding talent yet have waffled in the last couple of years. More will be revealed as we go along the recruiting trail.

    Throwing stones at Texas the last 2 years is absolutely absurd. How in the world do people forget a DECADE straight of 10/11/12 win seasons? Using Texas to attack recruiting rankings is not sound logic.

    From '98-'09 Texas under Mack Brown was 128-27.

    From 01-09 Texas went 101-16!!! That's an AVERAGE of more than 11 wins. 3-1 in BCS games including a championship and the lone loss in the championship game. It was a run of excellence on par with all but the greatest runs in college football history.

    The instant they get a decent QB they will be a top 10 team in the nation.

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  • Caravaggio said...

    The instant they get a decent QB they will be a top 10 team in the nation.

    Funny, sounds like what some folks are saying about Cal right now.

    Not throwing stones at Texas - look at their results the past two years. It's not like they had a talent famine after losing McCoy and Shipley. Florida also has had a couple of down years. Florida State was supposed to be a natty contender with monster classes in recent years and did nothing.

    All of these teams will be back due to their winning tradition and location - but that tradition is something Cal lacks, and if they can't produce with these classes they're getting, recruits will eventually look elsewhere. Recruiting is a puzzle and sometimes the pieces aren't going to work together, especially if the puzzle solver isn't very good.

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  • MoneyBeGreen said...

    Funny, sounds like what some folks are saying about Cal right now.

    Not throwing stones at Texas - look at their results the past two years. It's not like they had a talent famine after losing McCoy and Shipley. Florida also has had a couple of down years. Florida State was supposed to be a natty contender with monster classes in recent years and did nothing.

    All of these teams will be back due to their winning tradition and location - but that tradition is something Cal lacks, and if they can't produce with these classes they're getting, recruits will eventually look elsewhere. Recruiting is a puzzle and sometimes the pieces aren't going to work together, especially if the puzzle solver isn't very good.

    I'm not saying that they are going to be a top 10 team in the nation. Maybe they will, maybe they won't. But I would argure that they didn't really have better QB this year than last. At least the games I saw him in, I thought Maynard was sub-par and very erratic. Doesn't matter if you've got Jerry Rice at WR if you don't deliver the ball to him consistently. If (and only if) they get improved QB play, they likely will be a very good team in two years. You're right, Cal doesn't have the tradition of the SC's, Texas, Florida. But you can't just ingore the fact that Tedford does have a few 9 and 10 win seasons under his belt. If he's done it before, he can do it again. Especially with outstanding talent. I hope it doesn't happen, but it's very possible.

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  • Bairdy said...

    I'm not saying that they are going to be a top 10 team in the nation. Maybe they will, maybe they won't. But I would argure that they didn't really have better QB this year than last. At least the games I saw him in, I thought Maynard was sub-par and very erratic. Doesn't matter if you've got Jerry Rice at WR if you don't deliver the ball to him consistently. If (and only if) they get improved QB play, they likely will be a very good team in two years. You're right, Cal doesn't have the tradition of the SC's, Texas, Florida. But you can't just ingore the fact that Tedford does have a few 9 and 10 win seasons under his belt. If he's done it before, he can do it again. Especially with outstanding talent. I hope it doesn't happen, but it's very possible.

    I was talking about in our game against them last year.

    Brock Mansion played instead of Riley in our game, and Maynard IS a better QB than Mansion. Mansion couldn't hit a wide open WR if they stood there with no pressure for 20 seconds.

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  • MoneyBeGreen said...

    Funny, sounds like what some folks are saying about Cal right now.

    Not throwing stones at Texas - look at their results the past two years. It's not like they had a talent famine after losing McCoy and Shipley. Florida also has had a couple of down years. Florida State was supposed to be a natty contender with monster classes in recent years and did nothing.

    All of these teams will be back due to their winning tradition and location - but that tradition is something Cal lacks, and if they can't produce with these classes they're getting, recruits will eventually look elsewhere. Recruiting is a puzzle and sometimes the pieces aren't going to work together, especially if the puzzle solver isn't very good.

    You're reasoning is off here. You say Florida, FSU and Texas will get back to their winning ways because of location and tradition, but Cal won't because they don't have the tradition. The ONLY thing location and tradition are good for is recruiting! So what if Cal doesn't have tradition? If they're pulling in monster classes, that other stuff is no longer an advantage for this other schools. Location and tradition don't win you any games. They win you recruiting battles which win you games.

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  • illmatic88 said...

    You're reasoning is off here. You say Florida, FSU and Texas will get back to their winning ways because of location and tradition, but Cal won't because they don't have the tradition. The ONLY thing location and tradition are good for is recruiting! So what if Cal doesn't have tradition? If they're pulling in monster classes, that other stuff is no longer an advantage for this other schools. Location and tradition don't win you any games. They win you recruiting battles which win you games.

    I understand your point, but if you think a school with a winning tradition doesn't have the propensity to win more games than a school without one...ehhh, I massively disagree.

    It doesn't always have to be that way (we're an example), and Cal seems to be following our mold of investing money into facilities and such to wow recruits, but what they don't get is that we also developed our new winning culture with innovation in our game and making the right hires. I don't think Tedford is Cal's answer to taking that next step. Tosh can recruit, but Tedford hasn't shown he can put pieces together and they don't do anything fancy on the field. Meanwhile Zona and the Cougs are both installing spread offenses to keep up.

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  • MoneyBeGreen said...

    I was talking about in our game against them last year.

    Brock Mansion played instead of Riley in our game, and Maynard IS a better QB than Mansion. Mansion couldn't hit a wide open WR if they stood there with no pressure for 20 seconds.

    Well, actually you've said that Cal won't be able to do anything with the top-tier talent and that Tedford has problems winning. My point is that Tedford has won in the past, which can't be ignored. Especially if the cupboards are well stocked. Agreed, he won't do as much in developing what he has as Chip & Co. But there is reason to believe they have a chance to be very good in a couple of years. Just like you, I hope they fall on their faces though.

    Referring to this years' game, I thought Maynard was terrible against us. He was very erratic and completed less than 50% of his passes. I remember him flat out missing several open receivers. That's an improvement?

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  • Bairdy said...

    Well, actually you've said that Cal won't be able to do anything with the top-tier talent and that Tedford has problems winning. My point is that Tedford has won in the past, which can't be ignored. Especially if the cupboards are well stocked. Agreed, he won't do as much in developing what he has as Chip & Co. But there is reason to believe they have a chance to be very good in a couple of years. Just like you, I hope they fall on their faces though.

    Referring to this years' game, I thought Maynard was terrible against us. He was very erratic and completed less than 50% of his passes. I remember him flat out missing several open receivers. That's an improvement?

    Not much of one, but he was better than Mansion. And Sofele is very comparable to Vereen. Sofele actually had a better game than Vereen did against us last year.

    Tedford has won regular season games in the past, but he had Aaron Rodgers and Marshawn Lynch and couldn't even win a Holiday Bowl that year.

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  • MoneyBeGreen said...

    Not much of one, but he was better than Mansion. And Sofele is very comparable to Vereen. Sofele actually had a better game than Vereen did against us last year.

    Tedford has won regular season games in the past, but he had Aaron Rodgers and Marshawn Lynch and couldn't even win a Holiday Bowl that year.

    Exactly, Sofele had over 100 yds against us and they still performed poorly offensively. I would attribute a good portion of that to poor QB play.

    And that's exactly my point about Rogers, he won with more talent. You're right they didn't win the Holiday Bowl that year, but many would say they weren't super motiviated since they felt like they got shafted out of the BCS game in favor of Texas. But the last time he had 10 wins('06?) they did win the Holiday Bowl.

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  • I'm a huge Zach Kline fan and expect him to lead Cal's turnaround. At the very least he will be as good as Aaron Rodgers.

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  • MoneyBeGreen said...

    I understand your point, but if you think a school with a winning tradition doesn't have the propensity to win more games than a school without one...ehhh, I massively disagree.

    It doesn't always have to be that way (we're an example), and Cal seems to be following our mold of investing money into facilities and such to wow recruits, but what they don't get is that we also developed our new winning culture with innovation in our game and making the right hires. I don't think Tedford is Cal's answer to taking that next step. Tosh can recruit, but Tedford hasn't shown he can put pieces together and they don't do anything fancy on the field. Meanwhile Zona and the Cougs are both installing spread offenses to keep up.

    I get what you're saying about innovation and the right hires, that's a good call. I don't think Tedfor is a particularly good coach.

    Agree to disagree on the tradition front. I won't ever believe a school's winning tradition means they're more likely to win in the future. That seems Kardashian-crazy to me. A coach with a proven track record? Sure. But not the school itself, although that's what Notre Dame sells to recruits.

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  • illmatic88 said...

    I get what you're saying about innovation and the right hires, that's a good call. I don't think Tedfor is a particularly good coach.

    Agree to disagree on the tradition front. I won't ever believe a school's winning tradition means they're more likely to win in the future. That seems Kardashian-crazy to me. A coach with a proven track record? Sure. But not the school itself, although that's what Notre Dame sells to recruits.

    Notre Dame is also the most anti-innovation school in the country. They refuse to accept any change and pitch the same thing year after year which I think has contributed massively to them never returning to dominance.

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