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Ichiro is now a Yankee..

  • Very sad to see him go.

    Ichiro Suzuki traded to Yankees

    Ichiro Suzuki's 12-year run of excellence with the Seattle Mariners ended abruptly today with a trade to the New York Yankees.

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    hillbillyzombie

  • I dont know what pisses me off more, that we traded him to the loser yanks or that we just got prosects........

    jross51

  • The best statistical measure of a baseball player is his OPS ... on base percentage plus slugging percentage. Ichiro has been the worst starting corner outfielder in the major leagues over the last five years when it comes to run production. Nobody makes more outs and contributes less to run production.

    I acknowledge that he is a great fielder and a terrific baserunner. That said, he doesn't walk, cannot hit for power and no longer hits over .300. The Mariners had to pay part of his salary for the Yankees to take him and had to accept two 25 year old pitches without much value. This move would have been made five years ago except Ichiro puts bodies in the seats and sells merchandise in Japan. He is one of if not the most overrated player in the history of baseball.

    The Mariners started Ryan at SS, Oliva behind the plate and batting clean-up, Smoak at 1st plus Figgins yesterday. All are hitting below .200! The team predictably got five hits and scored one run. This is one of the weakest starting line ups since the dead ball era. Adding Ichiro to this no-hit murderers row was insane.

    The Mariners are owned by an absentee Japanese billionaire who doesn't give a shit about baseball. Ichiro's job was to sell stuff in Japan. The Mariner's GM is either an idiot or powerless. A few years ago nearly every single position player ... Lopez, Betancourt, Ichiro, etc., ... got on base the least of any player at their position in the major leagues.

    Ichiro led off until this year, a crazy decision if he hits less than .350. His on base % is under .300 this year.

    John Smoak ... "Smoak bomb" ... has been on a tear. He has a cumulative batting average over two seasons as a starter of just over .200. He usually bats 5th, an extremely important run producing slot. This year his average has declined to under .200. He produces fewer runs per at bat than any starting first baseman in the big leagues in the last 75 years.

    Bill James and the "sabermetrics" people calculate "win shares" ... the amount a given player helps or hurts the team relative to the average player at their position. The science is inexact but is the best predictor of a team's success ever created. Billy Beane used it ... read or view "Moneyball" ... and all the best teams use it. The Mariners haven't cracked the cover on the book and do not seem to know who Bill James is. They are acting as if it is 1914 and Babe Ruth is still in the home for wayward boys.

    Ichiro will help the Yankees win a couple close 1-0 or 2-1 pitchers duels. They have a good enough line up to afford his unique skills and lack of power. Still, the fact that the Yankees took him at all is due to Brett Gardiner's injury, ... he is way better than Ichiro ... the Yankees getting cash from Seattle and marketing in Japan.

    johnch

  • He has been great for the Mariners but he is at the end of his career.

    I don't know what we got for him but this may be a good trade, even though ill be sad to see him go.

    At least it wasn't Hernandez.......

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    Give em Helfrich!!!

    LetMeSeeYourO

  • This is all about replacing Brett Gardner who was a proto-typical lead-off hitter and the speed at the top of the Yankee order. Ichiro will give them a few stolen bases and clutch hits plus an extra outfielder...perhaps paying a dividend or two in October.

    Plus, playing for a contender may revive him a bit. Made sense for the Yankees. He had nothing left to play for in Seattle.

    DuxFlav23

  • Yankee fans won't be near as nice to ole Ichiro as Mariner fans have been with his lack of production. Like the above poster said, he sucks at OBP, and when he's hitting 260 and refusing to take a walk he will hear about it. I also have to guess Ichiro wanted out after the Bone trashed him last week on the radio, and said the Mariners had to let him walk at the end of the year. Good luck, just wish this would have happened a few years earlier.

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  • Lol @ Ichiro being the most overrated player in the history of baseball. What a ridiculous and ignorant comment.

    ducklefty

  • ducklefty said...

    Lol @ Ichiro being the most overrated player in the history of baseball. What a ridiculous and ignorant comment.

    He only went 10 straight seasons with 200+ hits, which has never been done before in the history of baseball. So overrated!

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    Green Yellow31439

  • If he played his entire career in the MLB he would have probably broke Pete Rose's hit record. So overrated!

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  • Green & Yellow said...

    He only went 10 straight seasons with 200+ hits, which has never been done before in the history of baseball. So overrated!

    Not to mention more hits in a single season than (insert name of anyone to ever play pro baseball here).

    He's obviously no longer the player he once was but he had one of if not the best 10 year stretches of a career.

    10 straight all star games, gold gloves, and 200 hit seasons.

    ducklefty

  • ducklefty said...

    Lol @ Ichiro being the most overrated player in the history of baseball. What a ridiculous and ignorant comment.


    Who in baseball history was ever more overrated? Name someone who got paid $20 million a year, made eight All-Star teams and had a negative win share, meaning he cost his team more wins than he caused. It's never happened prior to Ichiro.

    This post was edited by johnch on 7/24/2012 at 10:06 PM

    johnch

  • ducklefty said...

    Lol @ Ichiro being the most overrated player in the history of baseball. What a ridiculous and ignorant comment.

    Ichiro had a large negative "win/share" rating, meaning he cost the Mariners far more games than he won over the past five years. Factoring in the results and the salary Ichiro got paid makes him the single most overpaid and overrated player in the history of major league baseball. Don't take my word for this: it's a widely accepted fact of life. All the top major league teams now use win/share analysis to build their teams.

    2000 singles do not offset 4400 outs. Ichiro walked less and hit fewer long balls than any hitter who made as many outs.

    If you doubt this, consider what the Mariners got back from NY after shopping Ichiro to any and all takers for the last month and paying part of his salary even after the trade. The market doesn't lie.

    I. too, greatly enjoyed watching Ichiro during his first years with the Mariners. I loved how he played right field. That 2001 116 win Mariner team was magical, but Ichiro was not the best hitter on that team. Martinez, Olerud, Cameron and Brett Boone won more games that year than Ichiro. Stan Javier and Mark McLemore were close to Ichiro in per at bat worth as hitters that season even though Ichiro hit .350!

    Ichiro is a sure fire Hall of Fame inductee. He made ten All-Star teams. There are no true com parables since he is such a unique player but the closest comparables are Willie McGee and Willie Wilson. Both had slightly more power and walked slightly more than Ichiro. Both played Centerfield, which requires less hitting and more defensive speed. Imagine inducting Wilson or McGee into the Hall of Fame!

    Ichiro broke George Sisler's single season hit record. In the year Sisler set the record he hit .420 and was worth well over twice as much as Ichiro, in terms of team wins produced, as Ichiro in his record year.

    Your protest proves my point. If you and many others didn't think Ichiro was a great rather than a good player ... in spite of his recent years of extremely low production while being paid $20 million a year ... then he wouldn't be vastly overrated.

    This post was edited by johnch on 7/25/2012 at 12:02 AM

    johnch

  • johnch said...

    Ichiro had a large negative "win/share" rating, meaning he cost the Mariners far more games than he won over the past five years. Factoring in the results and the salary Ichiro got paid makes him the single most overpaid and overrated player in the history of major league baseball. Don't take my word for this: it's a widely accepted fact of life. All the top major league teams now use win/share analysis to build their teams.

    2000 singles do not offset 4400 outs. Ichiro walked less and hit fewer long balls than any hitter who made as many outs.

    If you doubt this, consider what the Mariners got back from NY after shopping Ichiro to any and all takers for the last month and paying part of his salary even after the trade. The market doesn't lie.

    I. too, greatly enjoyed watching Ichiro during his first years with the Mariners. I loved how he played right field. That 2001 116 win Mariner team was magical, but Ichiro was not the best hitter on that team. Martinez, Olerud, Cameron and Brett Boone won more games that year than Ichiro.

    Your protest proves my point. If you and many others didn't think Ichiro was a great player ... in spite of his recent years of extremely low production while being paid $20 million a year ... then he wouldn't have been overrated.

    I'll give you overpaid the last couple years. You're 100% right about that. I don't see how someone who holds multiple professional records, meaning no one in the 100+ year history of the sport did what he did, can be called overrated. The yankees didn't give up much for him because his career is essentially over at this point.

    I guarentee if it was 2001 again and every MLB team knew the numbers he was going to put up, every team in baseball would have taken him.

    I'll admit I know nothing about your win/loss stat or how it's computed. Ichiro didn't win games for his team because for the most part his teams have been awful. To say he's the reason the mariners lost games is outrageous to me though.

    Anyway, it was a good move for the M's. They weren't going to do anything before he retires. The big question is will they move Felix and enter full rebuild mode?

    ducklefty

  • johnch said...

    Ichiro had a large negative "win/share" rating, meaning he cost the Mariners far more games than he won over the past five years. Factoring in the results and the salary Ichiro got paid makes him the single most overpaid and overrated player in the history of major league baseball. Don't take my word for this: it's a widely accepted fact of life. All the top major league teams now use win/share analysis to build their teams.

    2000 singles do not offset 4400 outs. Ichiro walked less and hit fewer long balls than any hitter who made as many outs.

    If you doubt this, consider what the Mariners got back from NY after shopping Ichiro to any and all takers for the last month and paying part of his salary even after the trade. The market doesn't lie.

    I. too, greatly enjoyed watching Ichiro during his first years with the Mariners. I loved how he played right field. That 2001 116 win Mariner team was magical, but Ichiro was not the best hitter on that team. Martinez, Olerud, Cameron and Brett Boone won more games that year than Ichiro.

    Your protest proves my point. If you and many others didn't think Ichiro was a great player ... in spite of his recent years of extremely low production while being paid $20 million a year ... then he wouldn't have been overrated.

    Okay Bill James.

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    Green Yellow31439

  • I grew up in Chicago watching the Cubs and Sox with my Grandfather and Great Uncle, two old school semi-pro Catchers. Gran caught the young Babe Ruth during a barnstorming swing through the South. My Great Uncle played against an ancient Cy Young on another barnstorming tour. That's how old time baseball players made money.

    Every ball game with these two old guys was a lecture and a debate.

    I wondered why the great Cubs team in 1969 lost to the obviously inferior Mets. The debate between the two of them lasted several years. The Mets led off with Tommy Agee who got on base and also had power. The Cubs led off with Don Kessinger and Glen Beckert, two guys who rarely got on base and had no power. They were inning destroyers hitting right before Billy Williams, Ron Santo and Ernie Banks, a crazy move which cost the Cubs five to ten wins a year. The Cub Manager was Leo "The Lip" Durocher, a stubborn, nasty old man who never changed the lineup. Durocher was kicked off the great 20's Yankee team for stealing cash out of Babe Ruth's locker. He also got the shit kicked out of him.

    The Mets Manager, Gil Hodges understood the worth of a walk from playing on the '50's Brooklyn teams with PeeWee Reese, Robinson, Snider, Campanella and Furillo, all on-base machines who took pitches.

    When I first read Bill James and later Michael Lewis' "Moneyball" the facts and theory were laid out to support what those two wise old baseball guys told me 30 years earlier. A guy who won't take a pitch had better hit 30 home runs, play shortstop like Ossie Smith or become a role player. Ichiro rose way beyond being a role player but he had no business making ten All-Star games or getting $20 million a year.

    As a postscript, my Grandfather used baseball to support himself while becoming one of the first electrical engineers in America. He worked until he was 92 because he was one of the last guys who could design and fix the few remaining, pre-transistor monster switchboards. He also fought in both WWI and WWII.

    My Great Uncle helped invent fiber optics, early transistors and lasers, which he never patented, believing in open sourcing before the word existed. I guess my Uncle got the last laugh since his transistors ultimately put Gran out of work!

    Both were proudest of their baseball exploits. Babe Ruth was a sucker for a slow Jamie Moyer-like curve. Cy Young was the worst base runner either of them had ever seen, although Ron Santo seemed to get thrown out each and every game trying to go from first to third. Willie Mays was the best player we ever saw together. They would have loved to watch Barry Bonds walk almost 200 times during the greatest season a hitter ever had, which was not the year he hit 72 home runs.

    johnch

  • johnch said...

    I grew up in Chicago watching the Cubs and Sox with my Grandfather and Great Uncle, two old school semi-pro Catchers. Gran caught the young Babe Ruth during a barnstorming swing through the South. My Great Uncle played against an ancient Cy Young on another barnstorming tour. That's how old time baseball players made money.

    Every ball game with these two old guys was a lecture and a debate.

    I wondered why the great Cubs team in 1969 lost to the obviously inferior Mets. The debate between the two of them lasted several years. The Mets led off with Tommy Agee who got on base and also had power. The Cubs led off with Don Kessinger and Glen Beckert, two guys who rarely got on base and had no power. They were inning destroyers hitting right before Billy Williams, Ron Santo and Ernie Banks, a crazy move which cost the Cubs five to ten wins a year. The Cub Manager was Leo "The Lip" Durocher, a stubborn, nasty old man who never changed the lineup. Durocher was kicked off the great 20's Yankee team for stealing cash out of Babe Ruth's locker. He also got the shit kicked out of him.

    The Mets Manager, Gil Hodges understood the worth of a walk from playing on the '50's Brooklyn teams with PeeWee Reese, Robinson, Snider, Campanella and Furillo, all on-base machines who took pitches.

    When I first read Bill James and later Michael Lewis' "Moneyball" the facts and theory were laid out to support what those two wise old baseball guys told me 30 years earlier. A guy who won't take a pitch had better hit 30 home runs, play shortstop like Ossie Smith or become a role player. Ichiro rose way beyond being a role player but he had no business making ten All-Star games or getting $20 million a year.

    As a postscript, my Grandfather used baseball to support himself while becoming one of the first electrical engineers in America. He worked until he was 92 because he was one of the last guys who could design and fix the few remaining, pre-transistor monster switchboards. He also fought in both WWI and WWII.

    My Great Uncle helped invent fiber optics, early transistors and lasers, which he never patented, believing in open sourcing before the word existed. I guess my Uncle got the last laugh since his transistors ultimately put Gran out of work!

    Both were proudest of their baseball exploits. Babe Ruth was a sucker for a slow Jamie Moyer-like curve. Cy Young was the worst base runner either of them had ever seen, although Ron Santo seemed to get thrown out each and every game trying to go from first to third. Willie Mays was the best player we ever saw together. They would have loved to watch Barry Bonds walk almost 200 times during the greatest season a hitter ever had, which was not the year he hit 72 home runs.

    Great post(s).

    brem22