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I have to agree with this, remember Pellum was showing Jack love back when it was a two team race between UCLA and UO. Jack was hoping for a Georgia offer that never came.

Now FSU jumps in last minute? Sounds a bit like Castro last year and Gabe King the year (or two?) before. We did just fine w/o them.

I have no idea what Jack is like, but the Ducks have been there from the start, if that's not enough love, well that's the way it goes with some PSAs.

Nice Post. Still smilin. .

hate the say but our 3.38 Rivals star average puts us somewhere around 15th... so really the argument needs to be that we aren't taking enough numbers not that the quality isn't there...

Yes, but by all accounts Werner was 100% due to location, which is the point of many posters, some guys are just out of the coaches control. Allen required a scholarship for his bro, which is not the Ducks style these days.

this is true. according to 247 we are 25th re: average and 2nd in PAC-12 behind SC, which is #1.

filling positions of need and program fit are clearly important. but the numbers are a bit misleading and a lot of top teams a beyond full... that theoretically puts us in a good poaching position by making the position of need argument.

When the team starts losing, imo.

I don't get why fans are more worried with recruiting off the field than wins on it. Sometimes I think our fan base would rather us be Texas or FSU pulling in 5 stars but losing games.

This is right on the money. None of the people who are banging on Chip right now are saying why didnt we offer this guy, or why not that guy. The problem is we are losing the recruiting battles we are engaged in and the theme over and over and over and over and over, is that the staff cooled or didn't show them enough love, or waited too long. Take Jaynard Bostwick. He is being recruited by all the biggest schools in the country. Every interview he gave put Oregon in his top 3-5 school despite not havingt an offer. This continued on for 6 months until close to December or a little after, and then we decide to offer?!?! If he lacked the character or skillset to play for us why did we offer when we did? Does anyone think we're going to battle head to head with Alabama and Florida by offering 6 months late? We've bungled this class. Its an irrefutable fact barring a drastic close to this class. I say drastic because we don't have enough offers out there to reasonable expect a class keeping with the last 3 years.

To reiterate I have no problem with us using a different method for evaluating talent. It has worked spledidly well so far. Its our method of securing them and their recruitment that has been highly suspect this year. The mods all have the same take, its been a weird year and the plan seems to be changing all the time. Im not sure you can have followed this year and not come to the conclusion that something needs to be better next year. Either offers have to go out earlier, the net needs to be wider, or the kids they choose to go after need to receive more focus. You can make the case against any one of those given our philosophy and why its a bad idea, but a small group of offers, many of which are too late and a Lassez Faire approach has left us with a class that needs a lot of help to finish where we have been finishing.

We will have a hard time maintaining that average with what is on our board if we intend to take more than 2 or 3 more kids. If we only end up taking 16 PSA and close with a couple of solid players I would concede your point in full.

Warning: Caps! But not for shouting, just so you actually understand the emphasis :D

Sunshine Pumpers:

You don't seem to get what the problem is from what I've read on this thread.

In this class, there was a HUGE need at OL and LB.

Last year, there was a HUGE need at OL. They didn't take a single HS Olineman.

This year, they got one guy at OL that was on their board. Brenner and Pisarcik, while they may turn out to be fine players, WERE NOT HIGH ON THEIR BOARD.

The coaches are scrambling. Yes. They absolutely, positively see the same need at OL that we do. The two deep is scary thin. Have you seen it? They need guys to come in and compete as true freshmen. Look at the mods' posts. They are in just as much disbelief as MoneyBeGreen, without his reaction.

At LB, they've done a bit better, as they've added three quality guys that were actually on their board. Yes, LB is a HUGE need. Huge. They need a guy to come in, maybe two guys, to compete at MIKE for THIS COMING SEASON.

Problem is, past recruits have not worked out there. Wallace is gone. Garrick is a mystery. Hardrick has been injured for two years straight.

Maybe the class average is okay. Maybe it's not that big of a deal in the long run. But they are missing the guys on their board big time at OL and LB and the team will feel that starting next year and continuing in the coming two or three years.

Don't believe me, ask the mods. Good grief.

Thanks for listening and enjoy your day.

They need

Natty... respect. i hear ya on the whiffs and needs. No pumping going on over here... btw where the hell is my wife. Hell i even upvoted you

Re: OLine wiffs and 2-star recruits, here's a post from yesterday:

There have been some very good points made in this thread and I think there are some unrealistic expectations by some fans. Would you rather have the Honey Badger or TMitch? Or how about Cliffy or TMitch? Give me TMitch any day. Players who can't play aren't very useful.
So Chip took a hard line and guess what, every player in the past 3 years has qualified. Off the field problems? Dropped considerably.
Now OLine specifically, 2011:
Fischer - Plays as a true Frosh. Starts as a true Soph.
Johnstone - starting LT as a rFr! And because of skill, not desperation!
Euscher - 2 star that was solid as a backup by the end of rFr year, not common!
Andre Y - completely reshaped his body and looks to be on the right path.
Prater - still needs to improve.
Going into this year we were about 9 deep on the OLine, pretty hard to recruit when even a stud like Kyle Long with an NFL body can barely crack the 2-deep at first. You say just wait a year? Well we have 4 starters that are Soph or Juniors (Grasu, Stevens, Fischer, Johnstone) and at least those two above in the mix for time. Add in the Seniors Greg and Benyard and again you're 8 deep and only two spots open up for the 2014 2-deep not counting Prater's development.
That can be intimidating to a 17 y/o who really wants to play, not to mention looking at your own class and seeing Voeller already committed. And yet I still think the Ducks pull another stud or two this class. With the way Euscher looked, I'm even more willing to give Coach 'Wood some leeway, until he proves me wrong, the man knows OLine talent.

Oh and Unger, never forget Unger!