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Lariviere out as UO President in June

  • LetMeSeeYourO said...

    That is what I'm saying. We already have some excellent private schools in Oregon. I tend to think it's very important to have excellent public schools also. California kids are paying around $25,000 a year compared to $8,000 for in-state kids.

    But why should the private schools be excellent while the public ones go in the tank because they have to keep making cuts? That's what Phil and Lariviere wanted to avoid.

    They have to play the game because Oregon education funding and administration is terrible.

    MoneyBeGreen

  • OCanada said...

    I know thats a definite pattern that has been occurring all over where admin prefers out of state kids because they bring in almost double the money to the university. The only university I know of where tuition is the same for both residents and internationals is Simon Fraser University in Burnaby, British Columbia.

    Wow...UBC is ranked as one of the Top 40 schools in the world and tuition is less than $5,000/year. Obviously but I suspect that get a load of research and government funding.

    UBC is the University of British Columbia and is public....Simon Frasier University if different but near Vancouver. Did you mean UBC or Simon Frasier??? Alos UBC has like 40,000 students what like 2 x UO.

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  • MoneyBeGreen said...

    But why should the private schools be excellent while the public ones go in the tank because they have to keep making cuts? That's what Phil and Lariviere wanted to avoid.

    They have to play the game because Oregon education funding and administration is terrible.

    Ya. It's not like they want to raise it for no reason. They are having a tough time with money and don't have too many possible solutions

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  • If anyone wants to sign the petition to reinstate LaRiviere, you can find that here...

    http://senate.uoregon.edu/content/petition-reinstatement-president-richard-lariviere

    Last I heard it already had like 1300 signatures. I think it's supposed to only be for UO employees and students, but you can probably sign it anyway.

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    PETITION FOR THE REINSTATEMENT OF PRESIDENT RICHARD LARIVIERE | University of Oregon Senate

    http://senate.uoregon.edu/content/petition-reinstatement-president-richard-lariviere

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  • MoneyBeGreen said...

    But why should the private schools be excellent while the public ones go in the tank because they have to keep making cuts? That's what Phil and Lariviere wanted to avoid.

    They have to play the game because Oregon education funding and administration is terrible.

    This is getting way too political because it basically comes down to whether you believe in public services or you think they should be privatized.

    Public universities are not the only ones faced with tough times. I have family members that are administrators at Willamette University and they had to make drastic cuts as well. Willamette is one of the most prestigious private liberal arts universities on the west coast and tuition is close to $40,000 a year.

    This post was edited by LetMeSeeYourO on 11/23/2011 at 6:32 PM

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  • mcmccoydx said...

    Ya. It's not like they want to raise it for no reason. They are having a tough time with money and don't have too many possible solutions

    Exactly. What people need to realize is that this is an epidemic on public education. Beavis is having massive financial problems now. The Doogs and Coogs as well up in Washington are both struggling, and the Doogs jacked up tuition to cover their losses. Portland State wants to raise tuition 10 percent and Sam Adams would rather spend $600 million on bike lanes. It's ignorant. And students and universities are both left in the dust.

    With public institutions losing so much money, you may see many of them resort to privatizing to make any money and have any sort of academic success. Oregon wants to be able to hire the best faculty to get students their moneys' worth of education, so they have to foot the bill. Even in tough economic times, Lariviere wants Oregon students to receive a top-tier education. He and Phil Knight absolutely do not WANT to raise tuition, but this is a business, and if they don't, UO's educational quality goes in the dumpster.

    This is one of the top 3 biggest issues facing America right now. It's amazing to me that such little action is being taken to counter it which leaves administrators no choice but to take a nose dive or raise costs. It's lose-lose. I don't necessarily agree with privatization, but just because times are tough isn't an excuse to give a low-tier education. So someone has to do SOMETHING. And Lariviere was doing something.

    This post was edited by MoneyBeGreen on 11/23/2011 at 6:38 PM

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  • MoneyBeGreen said...
    Oregon wants to be able to hire the best faculty to get students their moneys' worth of education, so they have to foot the bill.

    Sorry, but not even having Stephen Hawking as a teacher is worth $40,000 a year. No one is. They all teach you the same thing.

    YellO308

  • YellO308 said...

    Sorry, but not even having Stephen Hawking as a teacher is worth $40,000 a year. No one is. They all teach you the same thing.

    I doubt UO goes to 40K a year unless all other public universities do it first.

    And at that point, you might as well write college education off for the next generation anyway.

    MoneyBeGreen

  • As far as the privatization, I honestly haven't seen many private schools cheaper than that..

    YellO308

  • idmm80 said...

    UBC is the University of British Columbia and is public....Simon Frasier University if different but near Vancouver. Did you mean UBC or Simon Frasier??? Alos UBC has like 40,000 students what like 2 x UO.

    I meant Simon Fraser has the same tuition for resident Canadians and International Students, which is a rarity as far as I know.

    Yes, true UBCs population is quite a lot higher than UO. Not to mention has one of the coolest main campus literally right beside the water.

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  • YellO308 said...

    As far as the privatization, I honestly haven't seen many private schools cheaper than that..

    40K would involve UO more than doubling tuition costs, which would be unheard of.

    MoneyBeGreen

  • Right, if it were a public school that would be unheard of. But if they privatized, absolutely not. Show me a private school that is less than $35,000 a year

    YellO308

  • YellO308 said...

    Right, if it were a public school that would be unheard of. But if they privatized, absolutely not. Show me a private school that is less than $35,000 a year

    I don't think that's Phil Knight's goal. He mentioned raising in-state rates closer to out-of-state rates. He did not mention massive tuition spikes for both anywhere.

    MoneyBeGreen

  • I still think that's incredibly ridiculous. Raise out of state tuition before you hurt the in state students.. We already see increases every single year on tuition as it is..

    YellO308

  • There are a few things I would like to throw out to color this discussion.

    First off I just want to say that Phil Knight's comments about being able to set tuition are not entirely accurate. What Lariviere wanted to do was create enough stability in the system so that an undergrad could come in a know what they are going to pay for tuition over 4 years. Right now the UO only knows what tuition will be a year at a time because the state it not consistent in it's appropriation of funds. To do this he wanted to take the state annual appropriation and turn it into debt service on bonds, an infusion of cash that would be managed as part of the UO endowment. This would financially break the UO from the state

    HOWEVER

    Public governance was always included in this proposal. The intent was to NEVER GO PRIVATE, only take the UO out of the ups and downs of state funding. Lariviere pissed off OUS by proposing this because he went around the state board to push this directly to legislators.

    Tuition hikes would be more gradual and consistent with inflation, they would not skyrocket.

    Phil Knight was not the architect of this, only a supporter.

    One big reason why this didn't happen is that Lariviere proposed keeping tuition income. However the UO is a cash cow for the entire state system. Most people don't know that UO's tuition income goes into a big pot with all other state institutions and is then re-allocated. When you pay tuition at UO you are also funding OSU, PSU, Western, Southern, Eastern, and OIT. Not many people know that. The UO gets back less then it brings in. In fact it gets the least.

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  • MoneyBeGreen said...

    Exactly. What people need to realize is that this is an epidemic on public education. Beavis is having massive financial problems now. The Doogs and Coogs as well up in Washington are both struggling, and the Doogs jacked up tuition to cover their losses. Portland State wants to raise tuition 10 percent and Sam Adams would rather spend $600 million on bike lanes. It's ignorant. And students and universities are both left in the dust.

    With public institutions losing so much money, you may see many of them resort to privatizing to make any money and have any sort of academic success. Oregon wants to be able to hire the best faculty to get students their moneys' worth of education, so they have to foot the bill. Even in tough economic times, Lariviere wants Oregon students to receive a top-tier education. He and Phil Knight absolutely do not WANT to raise tuition, but this is a business, and if they don't, UO's educational quality goes in the dumpster.

    This is one of the top 3 biggest issues facing America right now. It's amazing to me that such little action is being taken to counter it which leaves administrators no choice but to take a nose dive or raise costs. It's lose-lose. I don't necessarily agree with privatization, but just because times are tough isn't an excuse to give a low-tier education. So someone has to do SOMETHING. And Lariviere was doing something.

    Very, very well said MBG.

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  • khartos said...

    There are a few things I would like to throw out to color this discussion.

    First off I just want to say that Phil Knight's comments about being able to set tuition are not entirely accurate. What Lariviere wanted to do was create enough stability in the system so that an undergrad could come in a know what they are going to pay for tuition over 4 years. Right now the UO only knows what tuition will be a year at a time because the state it not consistent in it's appropriation of funds. To do this he wanted to take the state annual appropriation and turn it into debt service on bonds, an infusion of cash that would be managed as part of the UO endowment. This would financially break the UO from the state

    HOWEVER

    Public governance was always included in this proposal. The intent was to NEVER GO PRIVATE, only take the UO out of the ups and downs of state funding. Lariviere pissed off OUS by proposing this because he went around the state board to push this directly to legislators.

    Tuition hikes would be more gradual and consistent with inflation, they would not skyrocket.

    Phil Knight was not the architect of this, only a supporter.

    One big reason why this didn't happen is that Lariviere proposed keeping tuition income. However the UO is a cash cow for the entire state system. Most people don't know that UO's tuition income goes into a big pot with all other state institutions and is then re-allocated. When you pay tuition at UO you are also funding OSU, PSU, Western, Southern, Eastern, and OIT. Not many people know that. The UO gets back less then it brings in. In fact it gets the least.

    Great insight. Thanks.

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  • This definitely was great information.. thank you for this.. In that case, I'd side with Lariviere.. There is nothing worse than paying a tuition one year, signing up for classes for the next years term and it is $500 more.. And the fact that UO tuition goes into a pot instead of helping the school is absolutely ridiculous.. wth are they doing here?!

    YellO308

  • I don't have that big of a problem with sharing the money with other state schools. It's not that much different from big schools like USC having to share money with lowly schools like Washington State and Oregon State inside the Pac-12. It betters the conference; it betters the state....

    This post was edited by LetMeSeeYourO on 11/23/2011 at 9:03 PM

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  • khartos said...

    There are a few things I would like to throw out to color this discussion.

    First off I just want to say that Phil Knight's comments about being able to set tuition are not entirely accurate. What Lariviere wanted to do was create enough stability in the system so that an undergrad could come in a know what they are going to pay for tuition over 4 years. Right now the UO only knows what tuition will be a year at a time because the state it not consistent in it's appropriation of funds. To do this he wanted to take the state annual appropriation and turn it into debt service on bonds, an infusion of cash that would be managed as part of the UO endowment. This would financially break the UO from the state

    HOWEVER

    Public governance was always included in this proposal. The intent was to NEVER GO PRIVATE, only take the UO out of the ups and downs of state funding. Lariviere pissed off OUS by proposing this because he went around the state board to push this directly to legislators.

    Tuition hikes would be more gradual and consistent with inflation, they would not skyrocket.

    Phil Knight was not the architect of this, only a supporter.

    One big reason why this didn't happen is that Lariviere proposed keeping tuition income. However the UO is a cash cow for the entire state system. Most people don't know that UO's tuition income goes into a big pot with all other state institutions and is then re-allocated. When you pay tuition at UO you are also funding OSU, PSU, Western, Southern, Eastern, and OIT. Not many people know that. The UO gets back less then it brings in. In fact it gets the least.

    +1 said it better than I could. Thank you.

    MoneyBeGreen

  • Is it tuition money though? USC is private...

    YellO308

  • YellO308 said...

    Is it tuition money though? USC is private...

    I was juxtaposing sharing tuition money within the state, and athletics money within the conference. Same idea.

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  • Gotcha =)

    YellO308

  • I have a real problem with it. If my donation to UO was then redistributed accross the other schools I would be less then happy about it.
    If I choose UO as a school despite the costs because I believe that it provides a better education and overall experience I don't want my money to go towards paying for beavis' gay sheep studies :)

    benias

  • benias said...

    I have a real problem with it. If my donation to UO was then redistributed accross the other schools I would be less then happy about it.
    If I choose UO as a school despite the costs because I believe that it provides a better education and overall experience I don't want my money to go towards paying for beavis' gay sheep studies :)

    Hey. Somebody has to study gay sheep! Lol

    I really doubt that donations go to the general fund and are redistributed. Despite what was said earlier, I know that each school has their own budgets and funding, independent of the state or other schools. Out may be true that tuition is shared but not all income is. For instance, UO has it's own endowment and OSU has it's own endowment fund. They are separate and of differing amounts.

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