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Oregon No. 4 in Coaches Poll

  • 1. Notre Dame
    2. Alabama
    3. Georgia
    4. Oregon
    5. Florida State
    6. Florida
    7. LSU
    8. Kansas State
    9. Clemson
    10. Texas AM
    11. Stanford

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  • Not bad at all. I'm amazed we're ahead of a one loss SEC Florida team. This does leave the door slightly open... perchance to dream!

    Moozh

  • Yes, we faired much better that I thought we would.

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    L Perry

  • Pull an Alabama...win the NCG without winning our conference.

    Best case scenario: Stanford and ND lose next week to two very talented teams. It's possible.

    illmatic88

  • Never been a bigger fan of the SoCal schools in my life.

    wig

  • illmatic88 said...

    Pull an Alabama...win the NCG without winning our conference.

    Best case scenario: Stanford and ND lose next week to two very talented teams. It's possible.

    Question, do we need Stanford to lose to make it to the natty? No right?

    It'd help for P12CG but say we're ranked 4th in the BCS tonight and ND loses. That would hopefully make us 3rd in next weeks BCS standings, Bama or Georgia lose in the SECCG so we would bump up to 2. We would be like Bama that didn't win their conference but still made the natty last year, am I getting that correct?

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  • Here's the scenario that gives us our best shot to play in the NCG, I think:

    USC beats ND, UCLA beats Stanford, Oregon beats OSU then UCLA. Bama beats Georgia, FSU beats FL. Oregon has better loss than KSU. FSU seems a little bit worrisome should they beat FL, in that case the voters will have to decide whether they want Bama-FSU or Bama-Oregon. It's clear FSU has the worse loss, NC State to our Stanford but not sure how the rest of the SOS would work out.

    This post was edited by OCanada on 11/18/2012 at 11:55 AM

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  • Do we need Stanford to lose to UCLA in order to still play for the National Championship? Don't get me wrong, I'd love to win the Pac-12 again, but based only on the Coaches' Poll where we're #4, do we not only need a Civil War win & a USC win over Notre Dame, and it will likely be us and the Alabama / Georgia winner? The only rival I see challenging us if we beat the Beavers and SC wins is the a Florida/FSU winner. No?

    JohnnyDuck

  • JohnnyDuck said...

    Do we need Stanford to lose to UCLA in order to still play for the National Championship? Don't get me wrong, I'd love to win the Pac-12 again, but based only on the Coaches' Poll where we're #4, do we not only need a Civil War win & a USC win over Notre Dame, and it will likely be us and the Alabama / Georgia winner? The only rival I see challenging us if we beat the Beavers and SC wins is the a Florida/FSU winner. No?

    Kansas state must lose to Texas...or maybe I spoke too soon. Didn't see they dropped to #8...

    This post was edited by 97duck on 11/18/2012 at 12:07 PM

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  • 97duck said...

    Kansas state must lose to Texas

    If they drop below us tonight I don't think that's necessarily true. It'd be good to ensure they don't jump us if they beat Texas but it won't be a must.

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  • OCanada said...

    Here's the scenario that gives us our best shot to play in the NCG, I think:

    ....FSU seems a little bit worrisome should they beat FL, in that case the voters will have to decide whether they want Bama-FSU or Bama-Oregon. It's clear FSU has the worse loss, NC State to our Stanford but not sure how the rest of the SOS would work out.

    I guess we all posted a similar take at the same time. I know this is premature ( we haven't seen the other polls), but assuming Oregon stays at #4, I think our biggest challenge, assuming we beat OSU & USC wins, will be Florida based on their "signature wins" and computer strength of schedule. I do not see Florida State passing us, even with a win over Florida.

    This post was edited by JohnnyDuck on 11/18/2012 at 12:19 PM

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  • So there's still a chance?

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  • Our biggest hurdle is ND losing. If ND doesn't lose the natty is gone unless Bama were to lose Saturday to Auburn then Georgia in the SECCG loses too.

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  • 97duck said...

    Kansas state must lose to Texas

    If it trends the way the coaches poll has gone, and we win out etc... then KS does not factor in.

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  • There is but it mainly rests on SC beating ND. If they don't, we need Bama to lose to Auburn and Georgia in the SECCG. Meaning we'd play ND in the natty.

    Of course, this assuming we're #4 in to tonight's standings.

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    This post was edited by dagoj08 on 11/18/2012 at 12:10 PM

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  • dagoj08 said...

    There is but it mainly rests on SC beating ND. If they don't, we need Bama to lose to Auburn and Georgia in the SECCG. Meaning we'd play ND in the natty.

    Of course, this assuming we're #4 in to tonight's standings.

    Response to LMSYO

    I'm going disagree a bit. My sense is that the Notre Dame loss the OMLY way we have even a chance because the winner of the Bama / Georgia game will be the Natty -- period! They are both one loss teams and they are in the SEC....we know what that means.

    JohnnyDuck

  • This is highly encouraging, but at the same time, I have a feeling the computers might place us low, thus slotting us 5th in the BCS. If the computers REALLY wanted to stifle our chances, they'd put K-State 5th and us 6th, which pretty much closes the door on the BCSNGC.

    Still, there's room for optimism. Even if we don't make it to the PAC-12 CG, chances are good we end up at least in the top 4 after Bama and Georgia do their thing, which guarantees a BCS bowl berth. That's only if we don't drop below 5th in the standings, though.

    drew_hunt

  • drew_hunt said...

    This is highly encouraging, but at the same time, I have a feeling the computers might place us low, thus slotting us 5th in the BCS. If the computers REALLY wanted to stifle our chances, they'd put K-State 5th and us 6th, which pretty much closes the door on the BCSNGC.

    Still, there's room for optimism. Even if we don't make it to the PAC-12 CG, chances are good we end up at least in the top 4 after Bama and Georgia do their thing, which guarantees a BCS bowl berth. That's only if we don't drop below 5th in the standings, though.

    My thoughts exactly

    quackcity22

  • Best case scenario IMO is to have FSU beat Florida next week and then FSU lose in the ACC CCG (in addition to the aforementioned ND loss to USC). If FSU were to beat a #5/6 team Florida and then also win their CCG I have a feeling they would jump us without us playing in our CCG. FSU's win against a higher ranked UF than our win (hopefully) against OSU and an extra game against a likely ranked opponent would not bode well for us.

    Worst case scenario would be to have USC beat ND and Florida beat FSU. I think if that happens we could easily be looking at another all SEC NCG where you'd have the SEC CCG winner (either Bama or Georgia) against an 11-1 Florida. Please God don't let that happen.

    EastBayDucks

  • There are 2 games that matter next week, ND v USC, and the civil war. Based on the ranking of 4, and hopefully with a little love from the coaches poll (no SEC vs SEC rematch) we are in good shape. However, we made need the extra game for computer reasons, so Stanford needs to lose. But you can also say Stanford winning, and gets ranked higher will help us. So, based on that, I don't think that game will have a negative outcome for us in the grand scheme.

    I think the Coaches ranking us 4 (like Bama) after a loss is indicative of how the coaches poll will fall if ND does lose. Maybe I am just to optimistic?

    This post was edited by brownvsop on 11/18/2012 at 1:05 PM

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  • dagoj08 said...

    If they drop below us tonight I don't think that's necessarily true. It'd be good to ensure they don't jump us if they beat Texas but it won't be a must.

    They won't jump us if they beat Texas because a beaver win by the Ducks should be better than a KState win over Texas. The problem isn't the human polls it is the computers. The guys on XM 91 said that since Alambama just dropped to #3 after a loss to #15; we should technically stay in the Top 5 BCS because we lost to #11. But then again they also said it will be very apparent about the SEC bias when the BCS comes out tonight.

    I think the most likely scenario is that Florida State beats Florida... Then what? An ND loss to what will be an unranked USC team should know them completely out. BUT, if we can't go, I would rather see a FSU/ND championship and shut the SEC out..

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  • At least we didn't fall behind a 2 loss LSU like Kansas State did. With the way Stanford played last night I think they deserve to be ranked ahead of some of the other 2 loss teams.

    Man I wish they wouldn't have gotten screwed against the irish.

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  • Okay, here is the deal. The best chance we have is for Georgia to lose to Georgia Tech, and then beat Bama in the SEC Championship. The the SEC winner will have two losses and the only SEC team with one loss will be Florida. If Bama loses, then LSU goes to the SEC Champions game. I don't think Florida can beat FSU. So if FSU wins and then USC beats ND; and we take care of business against the Beavers; then we should be down to who are the best one-loss teams? That should be us and FSU. OR if Florida wins, it would create chaos with us playing Florida and neither winning our conference. Best scenario for the Ducks is for UCLA and USC to win; we host the Pac 12 Championship and win. If we can win the Pac 12, I think all we would need is a ND loss and we are in against an SEC team.

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  • JohnnyDuck said...

    I'm going disagree a bit. My sense is that the Notre Dame loss the OMLY way we have even a chance because the winner of the Bama / Georgia game will be the Natty -- period! They are both one loss teams and they are in the SEC....we know what that means.

    ND losing isn't the only way of us having a chance. It's the best way for us but not necessarily the only way. If ND doesn't lose we need more pieces to fall in place. If they do lose we only need one piece which will automatically happen in the SECCG.

    This is based off of us coming out #4 tonight. Plus there IS a way no SEC team is in the natty it's just highly unlikely. That way is Bama losing to Auburn and Georgia also falling (Georgia Tech or SECCG) which would put us #2 from #4. Unless ND loses as well it would bump whoever is #5 to #2. I actually think Georgia Tech may have a chance vs Georgia. This scenario would put us #1 from #4 with 1-3 falling, putting LSU or Florida #2. (This is the "many pieces" falling in place scenario)

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  • dagoj08 said...

    ND losing isn't the only way of us having a chance. It's the best way for us but not necessarily the only way. If ND doesn't lose we need more pieces to fall in place. If they do lose we only need one piece which will automatically happen in the SECCG.

    This is based off of us coming out #4 tonight. Plus there IS a way no SEC team is in the natty it's just highly unlikely. That way is Bama losing to Auburn and Georgia also falling (Georgia Tech or SECCG) which would put us #2 from #4. Unless ND loses as well it would bump whoever is #5 to #2. I actually think Georgia Tech may have a chance vs Georgia. This scenario would put us #1 from #4 with 1-3 falling, putting LSU or Florida #2. (This is the "many pieces" falling in place scenario)

    We need Stanford to lose to UCLA and USC to beat Notre Dame. Stanford losing helps us for two reasons: 1) we have a chance to win the Pac-12 and possibly play in the Rose Bowl. 2) If ND loses we will likely need one more quality win to stay ahead of the Florida/Florida State winner in the computers. I know the computers don't like Florida St but if they beat a SEC power like Florida they may jump up a bit in both the computers and human polls.

    On top of all this, we need Georgia to lose. There are a lot of things that need to happen in order for us to have a chance to make it to MIami. Rooting fpr Stanford to lose and for us to have a chance to play in the Pac-12 Championship game seems like the logical thing to do.

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