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So if expansion does occur again it seems that the most popularly, by the pundits, is to be headed for a 16 team conference. To me PAC-16 just does not roll off the tongue well, so I prefer just 'The PAC'. Split into two divisions, East and West. The PAC needs to drop to 8 conference games a year, 4 from the rival division and 4 from your own division with rotating every other year as to which teams from both divisions you would play. The teams from your own division would be split up with 3 teams every other year and your RIVAL every year then 4OOC games and the CCG.
The most likely of teams, at least we're told, to join will be OU, OSU, TT and Tejas. If this is to occur IMO these would be the best teams to admit, as a group. Tejas will be the most complicated of the 4, but not totally out of the question, but, it is imperative IMO that they be joining The PAC and not the other way around. In other words no (zero) big concessions to Tejas just to get them, the model we have now with 12 teams does not need any modification.
Another thought on this as a Duck fan is, what the fallout of the 'third party' involvement in recruiting will be, NCAA wide. So this could very well keep the door open in Tejas for us if other avenues are closed! So this is one of my reasonings for this group to be the best, geography.
There are several obstacles that need be overcome for this to occur, but, it looks much more likely now than it did last year. Thoughts?
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The additions of Texas and Oklahoma if they were to happen would be substantial for the conference. The recruiting exposure for Oregon, USC, and others would have a large impact as well. I'm for it, it's only a matter of time before super-conferences are created, may as well be one of the first.
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"Pac16" would definitely take some getting used to, but assuming the East/West split with 16 teams, there is no way you could play only 4 divisional and 4 inter-divisional games for two reasons.
1. Travel. The Pac16 would cover such a massive geographic footprint that bypassing closer games in favor of games literally half way across the country would increase the travel costs tremendously.
2. The Pac12 already made scheduling concessions when the California schools whined about not playing each other every year. Assuming they'd make the same fuss again, that's 3 out of their 4 divisional games each season. The NW schools would probably want to play each other also.
These same issues would probably kill any "zipper" options as well. What would likely happen is that we'd stay at 9 games playing all 7 divisional rivals each season and 2 against the eastern division on a rotating basis, then an East/West championship game.
This post was edited by pdxshogun on 9/7/2011 at 12:07 PM
I agree that it would be split up in the East/West Divisions. There would be a natural split looking like this:
East: UT, OU, OSU, TT, CU, Utah, UA, and ASU
West: UW, WSU, UO, OSU, Cal, Stanford, USC and UCLA
And I'd be shocked if we didn't stick with nine conference games, playing all seven in your own division, and then two of the other eight each year.
With the 8 game 4&4 division scenario I suggested everyone would at least get exposure every year to a region and would be there every other. Example: year 1 we would play Texas(a), OK ST(h), CO(a), AR(h) and W(a), Stan(h), USC(a), OR ST(h) year 2: TT(h), OU(a), Utah(h), ASU(a) and WSU(h), Cal(a), UCLA(h) OR ST(a). Year three would be the same as year 1 with the home and away being reversed.
This post was edited by L Perry on 9/7/2011 at 12:35 PM
Living in Colorado I am selfish and really want Oregon playing CU and/or Utah every year, so I can catch a game without having to drive forever! Probably not gonna happen, but it was nice for the one year it lasted! See ya at the CU game 10/22 if anyone is going.
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This post was edited by L Perry on 9/7/2011 at 1:59 PM
As an addendum to the 'scheduling' of an expanded PAC brought up by concerns voiced on another 247 board. Pods or rotating sub-divisions could be added to help in establishing division champions.
With the 8 game 4&4 division and 4OOC games scenario I suggested everyone would at least get exposure every year to a region and would be there every other. Example: year 1 OR would play Texas(a), OK ST(h), CO(a), AR(h) and W(a), Stan(h), USC(a), OR ST(h) year 2: TT(h), OU(a), Utah(h), ASU(a) and WSU(h), Cal(a), UCLA(h) OR ST(a). Year three would be the same as year 1 with the home and away being reversed.
**If the 'pod' approach was used/overlayed on the divisions and an extra divisional game (top to bottom matched up in opposing divisional pods with the top team in each pod playing to be the divisional champion) could be added and only 3 OOC games then it might be more equitable in crowning divisional champs to play in the CCG. The pods would rotate and include the 3 divisional teams that you played that year.**
This post was edited by L Perry on 9/7/2011 at 2:00 PM
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That said, the most likely scenario is:
1. A PAC West 16 with two divisions. The Pacific Division includes the original PAC 8. The Western Division includes TX, TX Tech, AZ, AZ State, CO, Utah, OK and OK State. Nine conference games played with 6 in the same division and 3 in the other division;
2. A 16 team SEC with TAM, FSU, Clemson and GA Tech added;
3. A Big 16 with ND, KU, Rutgers and MO added;
4. A 16 team ACC with FSU, Clemson and GA Tech subtracted and Pittsburgh, Connecticut, Cincinnati, Louisville, West Va, Syracuse and South FLA added.
That would leave many orphans looking for rickety shelters. It would also lead to anti-trust litigation.
I'm thinking Texas is not going to join OK, OK State and TX Tech in coming to the PAC 12. Texas is used to doing its own thing and that won't fly in our league. So ... we add OK (with Bob Stoops' stated support), OK State (with T.Boone Picken's stated support), KU and a mystery fourth school.
Texas Tech? MO? Baylor? BYU? Kansas State? Nevada? There is no clear fit and no point to having 15 conference members. I think the remaining 9 Big 12 universities have had enough of Texas and want out. OK is either going to the SEC or Pac 12 taking OK State along for the ride ... and that is the end of the conference. Perhaps the most likely 16th conference member is either MO, BYU or Nevada.
The State of Texas is in a different nation. Just listen to Rick Parry some time. We don't need the Longhorn network and Texas is more trouble than it is worth!
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