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Referee Analysis: The Stanford Debacle

  • I am blown away. I was so focused on the Xs and Os of the game (with the sound turned off) that I whipped through all of the examples given in this referee analysis when viewing the game again—and I missed them. Now, I am stunned at the total level of incompetence, and not from the play that everyone reviews! I cannot recall so many examples that went against Oregon that were WRONG in a game of such magnitude.

    We at Oregon lost a shot at the NC while all our conference members lost untold millions to balance the budgets. If you read nothing else, please read the concluding paragraph and tell me if I’m over-reacting.

    Referee Analysis: The Stanford Debacle – Fish Reports – FishDuck Oregon Ducks Football Analysis For The Casual Fan

    Larry Scott knew he had a problem. If he didn’t know it when he took the job in 2009, he certainly knew it when he brought in former NFL VP of Officia

    fishduck.com

    fishduck

  • Thoughtfully aggravating aqnd unfuriating stuff. I am pissed all over again. Great article.

    DuckDude

  • I would go with "they've stolen a SHOT at the title." We still would have had to beat Bama.

    Great article though. The refereeing continues to be a BIG distraction and frankly the epic sucking needs to end.

    Canaduck

  • And it wasn't just football either. Basketball was pretty bad this year as well. Just make them full time employees and send them to camps in the off season.

    6starrecruit

  • fishduck said...

    I am blown away. I was so focused on the Xs and Os of the game (with the sound turned off) that I whipped through all of the examples given in this referee analysis when viewing the game again—and I missed them. Now, I am stunned at the total level of incompetence, and not from the play that everyone reviews! I cannot recall so many examples that went against Oregon that were WRONG in a game of such magnitude.

    We at Oregon lost a shot at the NC while all our conference members lost untold millions to balance the budgets. If you read nothing else, please read the concluding paragraph and tell me if I’m over-reacting.

    Josh got a couple BHASB penalties this last season, as he has in years past. What's a BHASB penalty you ask? It's a Beat His A$$ So Bad it looked like a penalty penalty. Josh blocks like a TE out wide and because of that, there are numerous times where he has been tagged with a holding call when all he did was do his job with devastating efficiency. And while I will never be convinced that Ertz made that catch as the video evidence shows, I still don't think the refs took the game from Oregon. Yes, there were some bad calls that went against the Duckies but the only people who took the game from Oregon was Stanford. Well, that and Oregon didn't do themselves any favors by not bringing their A game. This is why every coach will tell you his team, don't leave the game close enough where an official can change the outcome with a call. Obviously, this is easier said than done but there are bad calls in every game and you have no choice but to respond to them.

    MudBloodVeer

  • Canaduck said...

    I would go with "they've stolen a SHOT at the title." We still would have had to beat Bama.

    Great article though. The refereeing continues to be a BIG distraction and frankly the epic sucking needs to end.

    They wouldn't have played Bama, they would have played ND

    MudBloodVeer

  • Canaduck said...

    I would go with "they've stolen a SHOT at the title." We still would have had to beat Bama.

    Great article though. The refereeing continues to be a BIG distraction and frankly the epic sucking needs to end.

    NO we would of had to Beat Notre Dame, and that would of been a for sure, just think about it, we would of rolled just like BAMA.

    MaitaiDuck

  • MudBloodVeer said...

    They wouldn't have played Bama, they would have played ND

    And they would've murdered ND. So I don't think Charles was wrong there. Haha.

    Good article overall. Without a shadow of a doubt Ertz was out of bounds. That call still frustrates me.

    This post was edited by MoneyBeGreen on 3/19/2013 at 11:08 AM

    MoneyBeGreen

  • MudBloodVeer said... And while I will never be convinced that Ertz made that catch as the video evidence shows, I still don't think the refs took the game from Oregon. Yes, there were some bad calls that went against the Duckies but the only people who took the game from Oregon was Stanford. Well, that and Oregon didn't do themselves any favors by not bringing their A game. This is why every coach will tell you his team, don't leave the game close enough where an official can change the outcome with a call. Obviously, this is easier said than done but there are bad calls in every game and you have no choice but to respond to them.

    It has been inferred on several occasions that the one game CK called all the plays was Stanford. I am still curious as to the dynamics between Helf as OC and Chip during that game. Was Helf calling for more vertical passing plays or more seam routes only to be overruled? Did ANYONE think Colt Lyerla could have dropped his pads and rushed the ball a few times to negate Stanfords LB corps or was it just me? Did Marcus feel pressure in a late-season, cold-weather game enough to disrupt his rhythm and shake his confidence? Sure ther refs f***ed up a few times, but it was our lack of execution, mental errors (DAT's no-block brain-fart/knee-down catch at the 10 yardline) and Stanford's resilience that were our undoing. Stanford was so disciplined and assignment-savvy that the mistakes we left on then field were what tripped us up, not the refs.

    But to get the Natty, you need plays and luck. Luck was not with us that day.

    This post has been edited 2 times, most recently by DuckDude on 3/19/2013 at 6:33 PM

    DuckDude

  • DuckDude said...

    It has been inferred on several occasions that the one game CK called all the plays was Stanford. I am still curious as the dynamics between Helf as OC and Chip during that game. Was Helf calling for more vertical passing play or more seam routes only to be overruled? Did ANYONE think Colt Lyerla could have dropped his pads and rushed the ball a few times to neagte Stanfords LB corps or was it just me? Did Marcus feel pressure in a late-season, cold-weather game enough to disrupt his rhythm and shake his confidence? Sure ther refs f***ed up a few times, but it was our lack of execution, mental errors (DAT's no-block brain-fart/knee-down catch at the 10 yardline) and Stanford's resilience that were our undoing. Stanford was so disciplined and assignment-savvy that the mistakes we left on then field were what tripped us up, not the refs.

    But to get the Natty, you need plays and luck. Luck was not with us that day.

    The offense was a clusterf*** that day for sure, but strangely we still played well enough to win with how stifling our defense was. Which is why the zebras hurt that much more.

    MoneyBeGreen

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    Rowdyduck

  • Pac refs are horrible.....and since they screwed the Tree against ND it wouldn't surprise me if they weren't trying to "make it up" to Stanford..it is what it is............said it many times...we should fire all pac refs and hire middle school refs..........can't be any worse.

    and BTW i'm not the excuse maker Oregon is all type.............The Pac refs need to go

    This post was edited by AngryDuck22 on 3/19/2013 at 12:43 PM

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    MudBloodVeer

  • Officiating college football is very tough, and Oregon loses so few games (and usually in close/gut-wrenching fashion) that it's easy to point to a key call or two that don't go our way and end up hurting us.

    I'm not saying that the officials did NOT mess up, but watching the highlights and revisiting that game... there's more pain from what the refs had nothing to do with (DAT not blocking for MM, our kicker stinking up the joint) than from what the refs did wrong.

    I can't wait for games to start because it's more painful for me to look back at the single loss and wonder what might have been than to relive all the awesome wins (including the KSU game I was at)...

    Ed O

  • There was at least three games this year where the O was standing around far to long while the refs got it together. The Stanford game was really punishing to be at with all the difficulties the zebra's were having. Add Chip headphones off, away from everyone crouched down with his arms crossed. I really felt he wasn't with the team. Not to take away from Furds play yet it felt like everybody was off and time was slow. Almost like adding another game to the schedule would be to much.

    Happyvduck

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    AngryDuck22

  • Ed O said...

    Officiating college football is very tough, and Oregon loses so few games (and usually in close/gut-wrenching fashion) that it's easy to point to a key call or two that don't go our way and end up hurting us.

    I'm not saying that the officials did NOT mess up, but watching the highlights and revisiting that game... there's more pain from what the refs had nothing to do with (DAT not blocking for MM, our kicker stinking up the joint) than from what the refs did wrong.

    I can't wait for games to start because it's more painful for me to look back at the single loss and wonder what might have been than to relive all the awesome wins (including the KSU game I was at)...

    are you saying we could have made the refs irrelevant?...yes we could have...but we didn't.........my question to you where does it end? here?.....belief in our past staff? where is your place in our fan base? are you part of the spoiled majority?

    AngryDuck22

  • Right before the game Chip uncharacteristically went off on the whole team over a couple players giving up practice information. He also went off on the press for all the NFL speculation.

    Chip got distracted ... breaking his cardinal rule ... and it cost us.The refs were bad and we played our one "off" game of the season, yet we still should have won the game. It happens.

    On to 2013!

    johnch

  • Thanks johnch, first I've heard of that. I've wondered far to long if I imagined Chip being off. +1

    Happyvduck

  • johnch said...

    Right before the game Chip uncharacteristically went off on the whole team over a couple players giving up practice information. He also went off on the press for all the NFL speculation.

    Chip got distracted ... breaking his cardinal rule ... and it cost us.The refs were bad and we played our one "off" game of the season, yet we still should have won the game. It happens.

    On to 2013!

    Pac-12 refs are the worst. I boo them every time they're announced.

    But you can spread the blame around. Someone please say, "If DAT would have just made that block..." again.

    But I put the blame squarely on chip. Terrible play calling. No adjustments. He admitted as much. I wasn't aware of the distractions you mention, johnch, but it makes sense.

    die yankees die

  • Happyvduck said...

    Thanks johnch, first I've heard of that. I've wondered far to long if I imagined Chip being off. +1

    Chip wasn't the one out there not making plays. To put the loss on anything else than Stanford playing the best game they have played in the past 3 or 4 seasons and Oregon not playing a good game IMO is just making excuses. Chip didn't miss blocks. Chip didn't miss tackles and Chip didn't miss FG's. I'm not saying he didn't go off on kids about giving out practice info, but why would that surprise anyone? I think we ALL know that if there was one thing he would be really pissed about it would be guys spilling perceived secrets to the media. And please save the "Chip didn't call good plays". It doesn't matter what plays you call if the O line doesn't block well and the offense doesn't execute. Chip did what any good coach would do and that's take the blame for his teams failures rather than dumping the blame on the players IE Lane Kiffen. The reason Oregon lost is because Stanford played harder, they played better and they finished and IMO there's no reason to make any other excuses

    This post was edited by MudBloodVeer on 3/20/2013 at 11:02 AM

    MudBloodVeer

  • MudBloodVeer said...

    Chip wasn't the one out there not making plays. To put the loss on anything else than Stanford playing the best game they have played in the past 3 or 4 seasons and Oregon not playing a good game IMO is just making excuses. Chip didn't miss blocks. Chip didn't miss tackles and Chip didn't miss FG's. I'm not saying he didn't go off on kids about giving out practice info, but why would that surprise anyone? I think we ALL know that if there was one thing he would be really pissed about it would be guys spilling perceived secrets to the media.

    Speak no evil of chip!!!

    Give me a break, mudblood. the coach has the reigns of the team and controls the game on the field. Does chip miss blocks>? Uhh. Nice mindless rhetorical. The fact is chip called a terrible game, and he admitted as much. He's stubborn. He admitted as much. He took responsibility, why can't you give him some?

    You're right though. Stanford beat us. To come into a hostile crowd and play toe to toe with a championship caliber team for 60 minutes is remarkable.

    die yankees die

  • MudBloodVeer said...

    Chip wasn't the one out there not making plays. To put the loss on anything else than Stanford playing the best game they have played in the past 3 or 4 seasons and Oregon not playing a good game IMO is just making excuses. Chip didn't miss blocks. Chip didn't miss tackles and Chip didn't miss FG's. I'm not saying he didn't go off on kids about giving out practice info, but why would that surprise anyone? I think we ALL know that if there was one thing he would be really pissed about it would be guys spilling perceived secrets to the media. And please save the "Chip didn't call good plays". It doesn't matter what plays you call if the O line doesn't block well and the offense doesn't execute. Chip did what any good coach would do and that's take the blame for his teams failures rather than dumping the blame on the players IE Lane Kiffen. The reason Oregon lost is because Stanford played harder, they played better and they finished and IMO there's no reason to make any other excuses

    Sorry, Chip didn't call good plays. He even admitted as much. It was not a good game for him and that is part of the reason we lost.

    MoneyBeGreen

  • MoneyBeGreen said...

    Sorry, Chip didn't call good plays. He even admitted as much. It was not a good game for him and that is part of the reason we lost.

    He even made reference to it during the fiesta bowl--something about once I stopped being stubborn and gave up some control [to helf], our offense turned it around.

    I'm completely parapharasing. But He said something like that during the FB.

    die yankees die

  • die yankees die said...

    He even made reference to it during the fiesta bowl--something about once I stopped being stubborn and gave up some control [to helf], our offense turned it around.

    I'm completely parapharasing. But He said something like that during the FB.

    One thing about Chip is that in a couple of our losses he did admit when he didn't coach well. In the Natty he said we should've thrown more (and he's right, DT/Maehl/Tuinei were hot and we probably would've won), and against Furd he said he got stubborn with calling the plays himself.

    Even the best coaches on the planet can have bad moments that could cost their team a game. As it's been said a lot, you need a lot of luck to make the Natty as well as playing well. In 2010 we got lucky with the Cal game. In 2011-12 we didn't with USC/Furd.

    MoneyBeGreen